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2012/04/23 15:08:39 (permalink)

Time travel visitations

There appears to be no evidence that we have been visited from future time travellers, thus making a very good case against the possibility of time travel ever being possible at all. 

I love to hang out in my local town, where my local bar is a coaching inn dating back over 400 years, still offering overnight accommodation and food and beverage to the traveller to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaching_inn


See attached link and read the paragraph on 'The Cock and Bull' - The Bull Hotel is my local and The Cock Hotel is 50 yards down the high street...

In the winter months, I particularly like to imagine what it would have been like to have been a coach traveller spending an evening in the town in the 16th or 17th century. If I had the chance, I would.

Is my time travel fantasy ever to be realised? or is that beyond the realm...

Discuss...


post edited by The Kiosk Project - 2012/04/23 15:09:42


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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:23:00 (permalink)
    You had me intrigued until you threw in the discus (throwing?).

    They seem like dis-similar time frames.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:27:33 (permalink)
    [Note to self: after further reading, it appears that the Coaching Inn may not be what I thought it was.  It may still be worthwhile to send a few Coaches back to the 16th century, though.  It would be interesting to find out how effective a leather whistle strap and a short temper would be against a knights armour and a sword...]
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:43:34 (permalink)
    I have n issue with the fact that I have never met a time traveler from teh future.

    It goes like this:
    Assume that given enough time, any major problem can be solved with the combination of Money, Brains and Time.  

    So theoretically, if mankind makes it long enough, we should be able to develop a backward time machine.  

    But if I have never met anyone from the future then either 
    (1) Mankind does not survive enough to make the machine
    or
    (2) we are just to hideously boring to come back and see.  

    Both of those are depressing.  

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:46:08 (permalink)
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    (1) Mankind does not survive enough to make the machine 
    Well..... not yet.


    Give 'em time, will you?
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:50:34 (permalink)
    Pabu I am giving them the rest of eternity.  After all, it does not matter if they create it 2014 or 2012011010.  They just travel back to see us from whatever future.  

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:53:00 (permalink)
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    Assume that given enough time, any major problem can be solved with the combination of Money, Brains and Time.   
    Maybe in the future they don't make assumptions like this.


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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:53:53 (permalink)
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    space_cowboy

    Assume that given enough time, any major problem can be solved with the combination of Money, Brains and Time.   
    Maybe in the future they don't make assumptions like this.

    I nominate this as best post of the day. Maybe even the week.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 15:58:01 (permalink)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rats_in_the_Walls

    I'm not so sure I'd want to see what remains exist in the basement where I used to live... It was weird down there...

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 16:01:06 (permalink)
    Slightly OT, but I once showed a pic of me age approx 20 to a friend who asked me if I had the power to go back in time and tell the old me in that photo just one thing, what would it be ?  Not the obvious stuff like winning lottery numbers and such, just the best bit of advice you could give the old you based on how your life turned out. Great question - still haven't conclusively decided my answer.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 16:02:35 (permalink)
    Yes, some people under hypnosis have claimed to have lived in a different time (while living in the present). Describe the environment and everything, but even with a time traveller how would you even know if it was a time traveller in the first place?? They may not want to show theirselves or even interfere enough to make a difference, but even then they might have altered the future to where the time traveller does not even know again what the future will be, then the future is still up for grabs (except for some people I can not mention here on this forum obviously somewhere else in this Country dissovling our future it seems). Well.........................................................one almost made step into the future then for all of us.
    post edited by spacealf - 2012/04/23 16:04:01

     
     
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 16:03:23 (permalink)
    I'd tell the "old" me to never create a new login post count really does not matter and X1 will NOT change EVERYTHING.

    I'd probably not listen though.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 16:18:23 (permalink)
    Elf...raised an interesting point. The story about the 2 women at Versailles who claimed to have seen Marie Anttoinette was interesting in that it appeared that even the surroundings looked like it might have looked back in the 18th century. I think that some of us, who may have been absorbing a lot of historical information, or rather, have more of a historical bent to us, might be, in a certain way, a type of Time Traveller.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 16:19:27 (permalink)
    The things my future me tells my past me about myself are so depressing that my past me purposely doesn't change anything just to stick it to future me for bumming him out so badly.  That'll teach him/me.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/23 23:19:07 (permalink)
    What you're missing is that this could be the first iteration through the time period we're aware of.  Therefore, until we DO create a time machine and go back the first time, we haven't been visited.  Once the initial trip occurs, a ripple effect while change "history" if you will and all of us will be focused on a different thread of time.  We would also spontaeously have memories of any trips that happened in our current past.  Simple, ya?

     
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 00:01:59 (permalink)
    Time is an anomally. Our existence is not the norm. That explains everything.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 01:54:34 (permalink)
    How do you know that the last person that asked you for directions wasn't a time traveller?

    There are plenty of points in our current history that can be explained by time travel.

    And then there's the option that time travellers are not visible to us, so we could be surrounded by historians from the future taking notes for their collage degrees.


    My view is that a time machine is a self paradox.  The first logical use for the first, size of a small town, uses enough energy to power a small country, time machine would be to jump forwards a few hundred years to a time when time machines are bracelets or implants. But this in itself would remove the development work required to make them, thus they would not exist...

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 02:57:18 (permalink)
    If you believe some quantum theorist types, even if you could build a time machine to take you back in time, you couldn't be sure that you'd be able to return to the right version of an infinite number of futures.

    And some of the parallel presents in those infinite futures based on single point in the past might not be so pleasant.

    Or maybe you'd become trapped in a past that started following a different parallel path to a future present - one without time machines.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 03:24:30 (permalink)
    I have a feeling time is circular, not linear.

    There is evidence around these parts that people are already beginning to devolve.

     
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 03:49:48 (permalink)
    There's one statement that we don't have speculate much about.  Time is NOT linear.  There are already some pretty easy demonstrations that particles or waves can go back and forward in time (albeit for only fractions of a second that we know of).

    Some theories are that we are subconciously aware of the parallel threads of other time lines, but are almost completely focused on one.  Some use this to explain weird phenomenom like knowing something you shouldn't, etc.  Others claim that with training and the right mental effort you can change your focus to a different (and, hopefully, better) thread.

    Fun, eh?

     
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 08:47:06 (permalink)
    My Grandfather was old.  He never drove in a straight line.  He'd look at a map like it was a quaint idea, then head off in whatever direction seemed interesting at the time.  I don't think he ever took the same route twice.  Anywhere.

    I think Time learned a few tricks from my Grandfather.  Certainly, they grew up together.  It makes sense they would have played some of the same games and had similar experiences. 

    I think that may be the reason Time often leaves the driver's door open at the gas station so everyone else has to listen to the door chime while he goes in and picks up another can of WD-40, some strange candy no one wants, and 14 cans of bug spray.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 10:59:44 (permalink)
    (1) Mankind does not survive enough to make the machine or (2) we are just to hideously boring to come back and see.  

    (3) The anti-science movement wins out and a centuries-long program of wishing for a time machine has no effect whatsoever. The failure is blamed on a colony of holdouts who for generations have been secretly passing on the forbidden black arts of addition and subtraction. After they have been put to death, all interest in time travel is abandoned lest humankind offend the Great Turtle.


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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 12:00:13 (permalink)
    We are all time travelers...we just have no control.
    The best we've been able to do is create zones and
    screw with it in the name of savings.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 15:09:40 (permalink)
    Others claim that with training and the right mental effort you can change your focus to a different (and, hopefully, better) thread.
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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 15:15:56 (permalink)
    All I know is that if I'm wandering the wasteland and I come across a domed cage match hosted by Tina Turner, who is shouting, "Two men enter!  One man leaves!", I'm turning around.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 15:23:42 (permalink)


    Nevermind.....I thought you said "Doom on you.....doom on you"....

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 16:44:58 (permalink)
    I see time as linear with a beginning and an end but I also see it as lateral, each moment (not literally a moment, but as time travels forward I think it also is as wide as needed to encompass being personal and unique for every being and every place, wide time... I also think, though I cannot prove, that the spiritual realm exists outside of the time and space that constrains the physical.

    I may be completely off the wall in reality but it is a way for me to grasp and understand time and reconcile a God who claims to be omnipresent. I guess I am a visual learner and thinker so I have to have something to visualize. Anyway, it works for me.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 20:50:30 (permalink)
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    I have a feeling time is circular, not linear.

    There is evidence around these parts that people are already beginning to devolve.

    I.believe all moments in time exist simultaneously.  We humans put them in an order that makes sense to us. 

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 22:46:23 (permalink)
    I suspect that “if” time travel is mastered (assuming we a not currently caught in some sort of loop as we speak), my guess is that the travelers will look at the past as a new frontier ripe for pillaging (not a new theme … Time Bandits comes to mind) and many will start procreating with their ancestors (again, not a novel idea … Michael J. Fox was able to avert the situation).  The result will be family trees that ultimately morph into Mobius strips.

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    Re:Time travel visitations 2012/04/24 23:34:41 (permalink)
    There are some imaginative youtubers having a go at this topic....

    The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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