Freddie H
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Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1! I give you this Tips for FREE because I like SONAR X1 and I hope this will help you all users out there with overall dropouts and unstable clock especially dropouts causing (sometimes crash) when LOOPING in SONAR. This will FIX your problems. Follow my Instructions 1. Make a new BUS and name it "Metronome". 2. Go to Control Bar (Keycommand "C") and "Right click" on "Metronome During Playback" (PLAY symbol) 3. Preference, Metronome Window OPENS UP. 4. Select the Metronome audio "Output" to the new BUS "Metronome" you made in step 1. Press "Apply" and then "OK" 5. In Control BAR in SONAR X1. Activate "Metronome During Playback" (PLAY symbol) and "Metronome During Record" (Record symbol) if it is not selected already (ON). 6. You are now ready and all set. *************************************************** As you now notice, you can LOOP in SONAR without any dropouts. You can record LOOPING without any dropouts too in SONAR X1. No dropouts anymore, same as in example CUBASE and other DAWs. What ever you do NEVER EVER disable the CLICK/Metronome ever in SONAR X1. If you don't want to hear click anymore you just route the BUS channel "METRONOME"-output to "none" and you don't hear the click anymore even if it play and are activated always. This is essential and will take care of all kinds of DROP OUTS in SONAR X1 you have because you will now have a continued stable CLOCK in SONAR X1. Best Regards Freddie 
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/09/01 03:27:12
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 03:18:36
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 03:25:07
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well done Freddie! Thanx
 You are welcome, have a great day! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 03:47:48
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Well this is kind of interesting. My standard template is set up just this way with the mute on the Metronome bus remote-controlled from my keyboard. I've not noticed any particular improvement in dropout resistance or stability as a result of doing this, though, and I can't imagine why it would make a difference.
How'd you come up with this, Freddie?
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 07:39:09
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So "DAW 2.0" normally doesn't loop without dropouts??? Hahahaha! Sorry, but that's rather funny.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 09:01:01
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Cakewalk have alot to learn It's like having a Vauxhall running a race with Ferrari's and advertising that your's is the best...everyone else is turbo charged and the Vauxhall is a two cylinder 1.1 with extra trimmings. It's almost insulting...if it wasn't laughable. Now it will run without any dropouts like Cubase and other DAWs...that alone speaks volumes... Still scared...!
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 09:20:01
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I have loops set all the time with no drop outs, whether the metronome is on or not. I'm pretty certain the premise of this thread is flawed.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 10:03:32
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Just curious, how would the metronome setting effect dropouts?
I can't see any reason why this would be so and it has never effected dropouts in my recording or playback. Although it does tend to help with what I'm playing.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 10:57:30
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I have tried this ... and Freddie is right: The metronome loops without dropouts 
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 11:06:27
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I have loops set all the time with no drop outs, whether the metronome is on or not. I'm pretty certain the premise of this thread is flawed.
I presume he's referring to the gaps in the audio stream you get when you change loop points while the transport is running, even when the playback position is nowhere near the loop point, and not affected by the change, but it's far from clear. I haven't checked whether having the metronome on has any effect on that behavior.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 11:50:06
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Interesting ... I've got a couple of questions: 1. (Same as brundlefly) Is this fix to prevent audio gaps when you move the loop start/end points while the loop is playing? 2. Would muting the metronome bus (instead of re-directing its output) work the same way?
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 11:54:32
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2. Would muting the metronome bus (instead of re-directing its output) work the same way? I would have to think the answer is "yes". If the metronome has any bearing on SONAR's performance, it would likely involve the process that generates the click using Grooveplayer.dll. What happens to the output signal should be of no consequence.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 12:02:07
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"As you now notice, you can LOOP in SONAR without any dropouts. You can record LOOPING without any dropouts too in SONAR X1. No dropouts anymore, same as in example CUBASE and other DAWs."
Freddie,
Sometimes when stuff is free... it doesn't seem as valuable. When are you going to put all your tips in a book and charge a bunch of money?
Pure gold!!! Thanks Freddie.
best regards,
mike
I'm surprised Scott hasn't got this tip in his book!
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 12:06:36
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2. Would muting the metronome bus (instead of re-directing its output) work the same way? I would have to think the answer is "yes". If the metronome has any bearing on SONAR's performance, it would likely involve the process that generates the click using Grooveplayer.dll. What happens to the output signal should be of no consequence.
Hi brundlefly, Just curious ... what is the Grooveplayer.dll? I ask because when I installed the X1c patch, I got a fatal error saying the problem was caused by the grooveplayer.dll and I had to restart the patch.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 12:19:36
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what is the Grooveplayer.dll? IIRC, it's a DXi plug-in. SONAR uses it to generate the metronome click, but it isn't registered in a way that you can use it as a synth. Google: metronome grooveplayer.dll site:forum.cakewalk.com, and you'll get plenty of hits.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 15:32:43
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Thanks Freddy Im gonna give that a whirl..
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/01 23:51:05
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People are actually giving thanks for this "tip"? Unless I'm missing something, the very existence of such a detailed work-around suggests a real problem in the coding. It's 2011 and Sonar can't loop without dropouts? I never had this problem in 8.5 or prior (and I didn't have a major power machine), so is this really a widespread problem? And people aren't rising up in justifiable anger? I'm truly curious: Is this also a known problem with other DAWs (I stopped at 8.5 and also use two other competitors I won't name, and don't have loop dropout problems with any of them -- and only 2GB of total ram). Hopefully this gets worked out soon.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 00:41:50
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In a program this complex, little tricks can sometimes offset awkard program funtionality. Ive had this experience with many pieces of software where I discover something that smooths out an otherwise problem.
I will have to try this out Freddie-
I usually only get dropouts when I move loop points, insert a soft synth during looping, things like that-
Interesting stuff-
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 01:04:23
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nah...I just tried it. Still gaps when changing loop points.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 01:10:12
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Ok thanx - I am listening to an audio book and so I hadnt tried it-
in essence, this kind of thing should just work, looping I mean.
think Ableton Live- pure loop magic-
I still choose to produce in sonar because i can ultimatley gitter done easier in sonar-
But, the world of looping, adding synths, arming anything (automation even), etc. without a hiccup is inspirational ecstacy-
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 01:19:38
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nah...I just tried it. Still gaps when changing loop points.
Ditto. I just tried it and it's still drops out for me too. It was nice of you to give us the tip though Freddie and who knows ... it may help on some systems! Thanks, Bub
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 03:06:06
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☄ Helpful
Thanks all! I don't know about changing LOOP points in realtime and drop outs though? This trick helps out in set "LOOP"; LOOPING between A to B without any drop outs. Yes same BUG excist in any SONAR version that I have try out, not just SONAR X1. HOW To check the bug on your mashine: 1 Set the latency what you normal use 256, 512 or 1024 Buffer latency... I use 48 kHz and x64bit MIXING engine activated. 2. Open a project that has both AUDIO-clips and VST Instruments, MIDI clips playing + plugins and mixed with EQ plugins or Pro Channel's EQ & compressors.
2. Make a "ONE BAR"-LOOP between A to B inside that project example BAR12 to BAR13 in the project. 3. Hit PLAY and wait and see if you get any drop outs? None... great... 4. DeSelect "Metronome During Playback" (PLAY symbol) and "Metronome During Record" (Record symbol). 5. Hit PLAY again 6. Now you get drop outs possible SONAR will crash too if you wait real long...
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Best Regards Freddie
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/09/02 03:13:39
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 03:11:12
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"As you now notice, you can LOOP in SONAR without any dropouts. You can record LOOPING without any dropouts too in SONAR X1. No dropouts anymore, same as in example CUBASE and other DAWs."
Freddie,
Sometimes when stuff is free... it doesn't seem as valuable. When are you going to put all your tips in a book and charge a bunch of money?
Pure gold!!! Thanks Freddie.
best regards,
mike
Great that you like it Mike! Have a great day! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 03:23:27
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 14:03:15
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This is borderline abuse. Why doesn't someone do something about this incredible amount of misinformation?
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 14:36:46
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People are actually giving thanks for this "tip"? Unless I'm missing something, the very existence of such a detailed work-around suggests a real problem in the coding. It's 2011 and Sonar can't loop without dropouts? I never had this problem in 8.5 or prior (and I didn't have a major power machine), so is this really a widespread problem? And people aren't rising up in justifiable anger? I'm truly curious: Is this also a known problem with other DAWs (I stopped at 8.5 and also use two other competitors I won't name, and don't have loop dropout problems with any of them -- and only 2GB of total ram). Hopefully this gets worked out soon.
I've been saying for quite some time that one of the things that "concerns" me about a lot of the users of Sonar is that they seem not to put too much "upward pressure" on CW to get things right - except when it's glaring issues or an issue that many obviously run into. But the inability to loop without gaps and other similar issues have been going on for years with Sonar. I can't think of any other DAW that has this problem. The metronome has been a long standing issue for many and has manifested itself in various ways. I think we should all encourage and support CW and its staff -- that's a good thing; but I think we should also not be so complacent (as often seems to happen around here). This "tip" is a workaround - if it works. It's not a fix. It's not a solution. That job is for CW.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
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This is borderline abuse. Why doesn't someone do something about this incredible amount of misinformation?
Oh the irony. People are allowed to be mistaken about stuff, you know. It's not a crime.
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Re:Tips of the day! Be able to LOOP with no dropouts with SONAR X1!
2011/09/02 15:11:29
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I never had this problem in 8.5 or prior (and I didn't have a major power machine), so is this really a widespread problem? And people aren't rising up in justifiable anger?
I'm a little confused as well. I even thought it was a joke at first but now I'm not sure. It may be widespread, I have no idea, although I haven't seen many complaints about looping and drop outs posted but I could just have missed them. I can only say as I find. When I'm comping vocals, guitars, etc. I'm running loops for what seems like ever while I'm trying to decide which of the 20 or 30 takes I'm going to use for any given phrase and very rarely get drop outs. Most of those happen while I'm moving the loop. Sometimes I'll work on comping sessions for up to an hour before I take a break, with a loop running all that time. Length of loop varies depending on material but it's rarely less than a bar or more than four bars at a time. I've not got the metronome switched on either. 
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