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To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
What midi controller do you use and why. I'm thinking of getting the Akai MPK mini MK2 fer $100. What are your thoughts, comments, cussings, phone no.'s, and or credit card no.'s? Thank you fer your support!
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 15:52:34
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Hey Bill, I've been looking at that Akai also. I have an M-Audio Keystation Pro but it sets off to the side and I have to slide my chair across to access it. The Akai would sit right in front of me. I have an Akai APC 40 and it has been trouble free for me but it was a joint venture between Akai and another DAW manufacturer so it is dedicated. I was also looking at (IIRC) the Arturia with the same number of keys but twice the number of rotary knobs...In the end the USB connector was on the wrong side so I'm focused in on the Akai, was going to order it Monday but spaced out. Maybe this week. Regards
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 15:57:29
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Thanks for the input morgan. I like the Akai after comparing. I will wait a day or two before ordering just to make sure it's the best choice for the bucks.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 16:08:23
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Is it bullet proof? You might want that option from what I'm hearing.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 16:16:35
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Things have calmed down here so I figure I might as well take advantage and poke me head out for a delivery for me DAW!
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 16:16:45
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/05/07 17:34:00
I too have a Keystation Pro 88, but the most useful MIDI controller I have is a little Alesis Q49, which replaced a M-Audio Keystation 49. The M-Audio was a bit better, but I needed something lighter that I could travel with. It's small and fits on my desk's drawer, so I can easily access it and move it out of the way.
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/05/07 17:34:02
I've always used a Korg N5 and an Oxygen-8. I've had others but had to sell 'em... There have been a few controllers that I've had an interest in, but I'd want to actually play with them for a few hours try them at a store first.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 19:41:01
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/05/07 20:04:43
I would guess that some keyboards do not have full midi implementation and others do. You may want to find out first about how the midi implementation is for the keyboard you are thinking of buying. See if there is a manual online that you can download and read the midi implementation in it.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/07 21:32:18
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☼ Best Answerby bayoubill 2014/05/07 23:09:32
I have a Roland midi guitar ( and a midi keyboard that I don't use) but curious... Now that an audio ( guitar part ) track can be dragged to a midi track what are you needing the midi controller for?
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 00:27:13
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/05/09 11:11:46
spacey I have a Roland midi guitar ( and a midi keyboard that I don't use) but curious... Now that an audio ( guitar part ) track can be dragged to a midi track what are you needing the midi controller for?
One of the very few times I've seen an answer that's a question
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 01:15:29
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I'm partial to the 49 key controllers. I would be immediately claustrophobic on a 25 key controller. But I rarely wish I had more keys. I do use the full range of my PCR-M50(long out of production). I'm sure the mini is a decent unit, but I would lean toward the Alesis Q49 or QX49 at that price point.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 03:28:28
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An ancient Roland D-20.  Hey, it's full size and got 61 keys..
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 05:55:06
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bayoubill
spacey I have a Roland midi guitar ( and a midi keyboard that I don't use) but curious... Now that an audio ( guitar part ) track can be dragged to a midi track what are you needing the midi controller for?
One of the very few times I've seen an answer that's a question
It's an answer and a question...without an answer.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 09:03:33
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I have an Alesis QS7.1 (76 keys) and yeah, it's big.......it's nice to have a wide range keybed without having to jump hoops to get access to all the keys.....BUT, as I'm not a keyboardist and as AM very limited in that dept., I always prefer to use the guitar. Having said that, this might be an alternate solution Bill, which you can always Demo first.....check out Jam Origin's Midi Guitar: http://jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar/ You can use your guitar as a Midi Controller and play any of your synths with the guitar. It's also priced at how much you want to spend on a controller.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 10:54:04
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I have Jam Origins MIDI Guitar unit and give it a favorable rating. Tracking is on a par with my Axon after adjusting the sensitivity for some notes/strings. +1 for MIDI Guitar. The only downside is no knobs. Regards,
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/08 12:20:08
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Thanks Mesh I will check it out thoroughly! I never thought of using something like that. I've been using Melodyne or just coverting and trying different synths on the guitar lines I play.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 02:20:30
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I'm Keyboard free, despite my first purchase 20 years ago being a BassStation Keyboard, I never got on with Keyboards. Picking up my fathers flute about 12 years ago, changed things, so now I have a Midi Wind Controller (WX5) that I am please is in a parcel on the way from Wales to Vietnam as I type. I also have a Korg nanopad2 for percussion, it's not perfect, but I like it. My bug bear with Melodyne, is needing the full studio version to get pitch bend/vibrato data in a Midi transfer, I've mentioned this too much on this forum, but it relevant here. Why, do we still need Midi Controllers, because you are more connected to what you play, when you play it in real-time.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 02:23:58
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 09:24:25
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 09:55:14
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Can't wait for the Midi Rubber, tweaking the knob.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 10:19:27
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Hi, Oxygen 61 by M-Audio into a 3030L Sound Card from M-Audio as well. Works great on any program/VST, but no one has ever helped me get more out of this, and on top of it, even folks like Craig, have turned down getting paid to show a thing or two. All in all, frustrating all around. In the case of Miroslav, it is a total mess and a pain in the wazoo, as no one here seems to know how to get different midi channels to do the different voices and instruments in that program, and their support staff is made up of idiots on crack and diapers! The place to make the choices is gray'd out, and no one knows why or how. All in all, this is the side of the music business that really hurts ... all this crap and no one knows how to use it, and no one is comfortable enough to show others how to use it. Talk about wasting money on sheep dip!
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 10:35:20
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Scoot Why, do we still need Midi Controllers, because you are more connected to what you play, when you play it in real-time.
Being a guitarist, once the new and fun of midi guitar has worn off and nothing is left but the results...then the need, speaking for myself, is only for background sounds of instruments I can't play, in answer to your question..? Very few sounds I can achieve with midi will I use and I have a very good midi setup. The expression one can get with a guitar is gone with midi. I can see how it can be very useful to others. I'm not one to spend time trying to write in expression with the piano roll. I have to say that I don't think the public really cares about sound quality nor the "magic" that happens when musicians play together so the "need" for midi sure varies with people.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 10:42:23
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Being a flute player, I feel I can get the expression with a wind synth, so no need to edit expression once it's performed. I've no idea what a midi guitar feels like to play, but with a wind synth I feel connected. Not in the same way with a flute, but connected to the synth, which the flute is not with melodyne.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 10:56:30
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Moshkiae All in all, frustrating all around. In the case of Miroslav, it is a total mess and a pain in the wazoo, as no one here seems to know how to get different midi channels to do the different voices and instruments in that program,
Mosh have you tried this? Set your output from each MIDI track to Sampletank then you need to set the channel of each MIDI track sequentially. That means 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on until 10 that is for drum tracks normally....11 12 and so on are normally instruments like the same as 1, 2, 3, 4. These channels should correspond to the MIDI channels with Sampletank. So each channel is a different instrument.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 11:16:33
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jamesg1213 An ancient Roland D-20. Hey, it's full size and got 61 keys..
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/09 16:03:11
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Moshkiae All in all, frustrating all around. In the case of Miroslav, it is a total mess and a pain in the wazoo, as no one here seems to know how to get different midi channels to do the different voices and instruments in that program,
Mosh have you tried this? Set your output from each MIDI track to Sampletank ...
Nope ... what's "Sampletank"? I even tried the little tool that M-Audio has (Enigma?) and I could not figure out anything there either. I got the midi plugged to the computer, and the software installed on it ... nothing else ... I can play individually, but not combine anything. I've kinda just about given up, as too frustrating all along, and until these companies die off because of they are not smart enough to make it simple ... sorry ... I don't feel good today, and **** like this makes me want to throw up!
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/10 02:12:23
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Enigma is so aptly named. Had the triggerfinger and Enigma was a nightmare, now I've a the korg nanopad and the editor is so natural and intuative
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/10 13:40:45
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Enigma - Ewwww. Trigger Finger - Arguably the worst acquisition in my musical life.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/10 14:33:18
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Need at least - Sustain and Expression (volume) for pedals (control). That one does not have that that you listed. You get more if you pay more. Look up the manual at the Akai website. It may have Expression (I am not sure I looked at several now), but the more expensive ones have both - Sustain and Expression (volume is what I use with my Roland). Besides that, well, different things for different folks I guess. I get more keys length on the keyboard also - at least 61 keys (which also can get short after awhile.) I like to jump around, so my 76 Juno Stage is just about right - not full 88 keyboard - but enough to make it a bit smaller. Some people would want a full size piano keyboard - 88 keys. Until you hit those low notes and those very high notes without having to change the octave down or up on the keyboard, it may help. Not everything is midrange, but a full size keyboard probably is not needed. Afterall most instruments do not play in that entire range either, and will sound like it if trying to place too high or too low a note on a keyboard. Afterall, it is all in the sense - pseudo instruments.
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Re: To Midi Controller Or Not To Midi Controller
2014/05/11 17:21:39
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Rain Trigger Finger - Arguably the worst ....... Off Topic, but, actually, Triggerfinger is a very good band from Belgium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUpSyyi8K40 On topic, Since I got a midi controller, I have the feeling I am out of control..............
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