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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/24 04:25:29
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Go for it Beepster! Well done for sticking with it.....It certainly does get easier and positive posts like this will encourage the new users out there to really get into Sonar. Things got easier for me after a year of using Cakewalk Pro Audio v4!! 
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 11:58:28
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Nothing gets easier. You just adapt.  corollary: The older you get, dying doesn't become easier, it's just increasingly more difficult to keep you alive!
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 14:52:20
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That's the spirit, Beepster.
Like John, I have enjoyed watching you (and others) grow into the program.
When I started out with SHS4, I had no idea what I had gotten myself into.
With time, effort, reading, and experimentation, it all started to come together.
Yes, the initial learning curve is notoriously vertical, but it does get easier.
I join you in encouraging new users to stick it out.
It's definitely worth it.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 15:45:59
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Kudos to Beeps.
Joined a little over a year ago.
He has over 6K in posts.
Bravo.
And the OP was not half bad either.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 17:07:18
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bapu
Kudos to Beeps.
Joined a little over a year ago.
He has over 6K in posts.
Bravo.
I learned from the best. ;-)
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 17:12:41
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Beepster
bapu
Kudos to Beeps.
Joined a little over a year ago.
He has over 6K in posts.
Bravo.
I learned from the best. ;-)
Oh, you took lessons from John?
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 21:23:27
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M_Glenn_M
+1 for sure. well said.Thanks to:This forum,Scott's Sonar X1,Mixing Secrets (Mike Senior)Mixing Audio (Roey Izhaki)
I'm about 60% finished with Scott's Sonar X2 Power! and feel that it should be mandatory reading for Sonar X2 users. I've read all1900 pages of the Cakewalk Users Guide, but Scott writes like he's sitting next to you and giving personal tutoring! I subscribe to Sound On Sound and because of your post I decided to check out "mixing secrets" on Amazon and after reading the reviews I purchased a copy. I use to record my five piece group that I had for forty years using an 8 channel Fostek tape recorder using 1/4" tape, 16 channel analog mixer, several Synths and an Amiga computer. Remember that one? I retired the band in1996 and took up flying and biking (hence the Avatar) Last year I decided to get back into music for personal enjoyment. Have been drinking from a fire hose trying to get up to speed on all the software and the Jupiter 80. It's all starting to come together with all the books and the very helpful information gleaned from this forum. Thank you all! Walt
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 21:57:20
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Wally I think I remember you. It is good to read posts like yours. You need to post more because you are a good writer. Keep up the good work and a belated welcome to the forum.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 22:25:40
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John
Wally I think I remember you. It is good to read posts like yours. You need to post more because you are a good writer. Keep up the good work and a belated welcome to the forum.
Not sure where you remember me from. I don't owe you any money do I? :-) As I gain more experience with all this "stuff", I would like to be a contributer and not just a lurker. Walt
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/25 22:33:49
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/08 11:14:14
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Just what i needed to hear.
Thanks Beep and Company. I've been devouring youtube tutorials like a madman and soon ($$) i'll get Scott's helpful book.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/08 11:25:49
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lahteedah
Thanks Beep and Company. I've been devouring youtube tutorials like a madman and soon ($$) i'll get Scott's helpful book.
Thanks, Richard! I hope you enjoy the book. The Internet is great for information, but it's spread out all over the place. With the book, I think you'll find it's nice to have information presented in an organized and step-by-step fashion. Plus, with plenty of helpful tips you won't find elsewhere.  Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/08 11:40:28
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lahteedah
Just what i needed to hear.
Thanks Beep and Company. I've been devouring youtube tutorials like a madman and soon ($$) i'll get Scott's helpful book.
If you can scrape up the cash a month long membership to Groove3 is WELL worth the cost to learn about Sonar and general production techniques. http://www.groove3.com/str/training-videos/ They have specials sometimes where you can get a pass for pretty cheap and if you sign up sometimes they'll give you other discounts and freebies (they gave away a free month a little while ago I heard). The X1 and X2 vids explain a LOT and the more general vids in the mixing section and the effects section have helped me immensely. Make sure you have lots of time to watch, rewatch and take notes for the full benefit. I refer to the notes I made during my month there all the time. They also have a sample vids in most of the sections so you can get an idea of what the course is about. Also a user on here who goes by FastBikerBoy has a youtube page loaded with free vids and he has some for sale in the Cakewalk store. Various other users (like chuckebaby) have some tuts linked in their sigs as well. There are a couple guys that post who should ALWAYS be paid attention to because you almost always learn something. Danny Danzi, bitflipper, AT, Jeff Evans ( I forget his exact handle but he has cute doggie as his profile pic *I just saw one of his posts so I that is his handle) are names that come to mind but there are many others. If you see their name pop up in the recent comments it's worth checking out what they are up to. And as always you can just ask. This sub forum and the techniques forum are generally the best two places to absorb knowledge. Also if you haven't checked out the Sonar University and Cake TV video links there are tons of great free tuts there and the Cake Blog section contains good articles, vids and news. Oh and Sound On Sound is another great online resource. If you google Sound On Sound Sonar or Cakewalk you should find a list of all their Sonar related articles. The whole site is crammed with general info though. Good luck and have fun.
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mmorgan
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/08 12:11:22
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Yep it does get easier. And then Cakewalk issues an upgrade and you move back a space. Regards,
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 00:46:48
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I'd love to share your enthusiasm, but I'm presently unable to fix a problem that ought to be easily fixed. (It didn't exist until a few days ago, and I've boiled it down to one of three possible causes.)
The reason I can't fix it? Because the Sonar Help screen in question lists steps, options, etc. that ARE NOT PRESENT on Windows 7. This leaves me rather helpless to fix the problem. After all, one can't try a solution that can't be carried out.
I'm very close to uninstalling the program. I can handle the frustration, hard work, and all of learning a complicated program, but this is absurdity cubed. I admire your perseverance, and normally I would share it, but I have to draw the line at crank Help screens. Any advice, explanations would be much appreciated.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 15:42:47
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Yes, it does get easier or your used to it! After my band made a CD on X-1, I decided to get my own for a side project. I just hope I don't have to buy X-3 to get the bugs fixed? I also have Scotts book, both of them. They are the bible.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 15:50:20
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X1 producer on Win 7 pro64. I generally skip 1-2 upgrades when I have a stable install that does everything I need. Compared to just a few years ago on Sonar 5 or 7, X1 seems like a dream. 8.5 was really the first where i spent more time on music than on SW. it's all good from here on
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 16:51:14
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Beepster
I just wanted to say to everyone struggling with all this fancy software that as someone who started with Sonar a little over a year ago with next to no real experience recording digitally aside from simple tracking/basic volume mixing and absolutely NO experience with Sonar PERIOD... have heart. It does get easier. I've just fumbled my way into making some things happen that I would not have even thought possible a year ago. I have been intimidated around every turn with the seemingly endless complexity of the program and have had many moments where I've doubted whether I was truly up to the task. But every time I shook it off and scoured the manuals, tuts, asked the forum and just plain stuck my filthy paws right into the heart of the program. After a while those seemingly impossible things became second nature. I have far more to learn and accomplish but I finally think I can do this and possibly even do it well. I have encountered bugs, glitches, broken features and things that, to me, could have been designed far more intuitively but every time I've managed to figured out a way to get things done. It is hard, confusing and frustrating... at first. Then that confusion and frustration fades and you find new and more complex things to be confused and frustrated about. Then, eventually, those things become old hat as well.
The point is... get your hands dirty, don't stop reading the manuals or watching the forum or hunting the web for tuts and most importantly just boot up the DAW every chance you get and DO something with it because... it does get easier.
Peace.
Thanks Beep... this is helpful. I have failed at this so many times I have really been too sow getting started again. This post is encouraging. Sonar X2 POWER is a good book but is also intimidating. I am reading it, not quite halfway through and I have a new rspect for what the bakers have done with Sonar. There are SO many features in Sonar it is mind boggling. I have started to skim parts of the POWER book, parts about functions that I don't forsee using soon. If I don't I will forget the beginning before I get to the end. Like you did, I need to just jump in and make a splash... cannonball or bellyflop... I don't know but something. So, getting started... Thanks. Julien
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 16:58:11
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BTW... let's not forget Karl aka FBB and his awesome videos!!
J
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 17:34:19
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For whatever the worth - I create little text files with snippets of features and explanations so that I can quickly find them again. I did that with one of the 8.5.3 books and many of those notes are still valid. I just put them all in a folder called Sonar Snippets.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 17:38:28
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@jbow... You can flag me down in threads or PM me anytime you want and I'll try to help. I ain't the most experienced guy here but I might be able to help you get over some of the little bumps in the road or tell you about things that are known to be broken/problematic so you don't pull your hair out over them. I've also got tons of weblinks and elaborate notes regarding Sonar I can share. Cheers.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 18:01:51
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For whatever the worth - I create little text files with snippets of features and explanations so that I can quickly find them again. I did that with one of the 8.5.3 books and many of those notes are still valid. I just put them all in a folder called Sonar Snippets.
Bob Bone
I highlight paragraphs when I come across something I know I will need to go back to... I have a real tendency to make everything I do much harder than it ever should be... I am making a real effort to get out of that. Julien
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/07/10 19:59:29
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Just wanted to say that I've been getting a lot of kind and friendly help on this forum (I outlined my Sonar X2 woes in another post), so my uninstall-the-program plans are officially on hold. The support is much appreciated. Ditto for the positive vibes on this thread....
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