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To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
I just wanted to say to everyone struggling with all this fancy software that as someone who started with Sonar a little over a year ago with next to no real experience recording digitally aside from simple tracking/basic volume mixing and absolutely NO experience with Sonar PERIOD... have heart. It does get easier. I've just fumbled my way into making some things happen that I would not have even thought possible a year ago. I have been intimidated around every turn with the seemingly endless complexity of the program and have had many moments where I've doubted whether I was truly up to the task. But every time I shook it off and scoured the manuals, tuts, asked the forum and just plain stuck my filthy paws right into the heart of the program. After a while those seemingly impossible things became second nature. I have far more to learn and accomplish but I finally think I can do this and possibly even do it well. I have encountered bugs, glitches, broken features and things that, to me, could have been designed far more intuitively but every time I've managed to figured out a way to get things done. It is hard, confusing and frustrating... at first. Then that confusion and frustration fades and you find new and more complex things to be confused and frustrated about. Then, eventually, those things become old hat as well.
The point is... get your hands dirty, don't stop reading the manuals or watching the forum or hunting the web for tuts and most importantly just boot up the DAW every chance you get and DO something with it because... it does get easier.
Peace.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 15:34:45
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Indeed you can. X1 Power, digifreq.com and your presence here on the forums have gotten me through some serious pickles. Thank you, Scott... and everyone else. Cheers.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 16:20:38
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Hey Scott I was heartened to see X2 Power in Barnes and Noble yesterday - that's the first time I've seen a Sonar book in there...
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 17:03:58
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great post Beepter!
I just starting to feel okay in Sonar and it's taken a while.
Scott's Power X1 book , the forums and people posting here have really been so helpful. great community here.
I used to say "oh god what have I done now!!!" when something happened in Sonar. Now it's usually "oh god I forgot to do..." good feeling when ya get comfy with the software and can get to the business of being creative.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 17:09:19
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+1 for sure. well said.
Thanks to:
This forum,
Scott's Sonar X1,
Mixing Secrets (Mike Senior)
Mixing Audio (Roey Izhaki)
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 17:21:58
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Fascinating Beep. What you write is very true. It does get easier over time and a little effort.
One thing about DAWs is you don't have to know everything about them . You just need to know the parts you use. If you have no use for MIDI there is no reason to learn it for example. Though many have curious minds and want to know as much as they can learn.
I have watched you Beep; I have read nearly all your posts and seen you mature in your confidence and willingness to offer advice.
Here you give the best advice anyone can give and it, as has all your posts, been given with a sense of wonder and awe that I find wonderful. Keep up the good work, just keep on being you.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 18:13:05
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Hey... all you guys that said "SONAR X1 Power"... does that mean you're still using SONAR X1? Just curious... Also, did you guys get your copy of the current issue of the DigiFreq newsletter? Beepster
Indeed you can. X1 Power, digifreq.com and your presence here on the forums have gotten me through some serious pickles. Thank you, Scott... and everyone else. Cheers.
Thanks so much, Beepster! I try to help whenever I can. paulo
Getting slow in your old age Scott - nearly half an hour before the shameless plug !
Hey Paulo... yeah, I get a little slower every year.  Thanks for noticing! sharke
Hey Scott I was heartened to see X2 Power in Barnes and Noble yesterday - that's the first time I've seen a Sonar book in there...
Hey J... very cool. I didn't know it had made it into the stores yet. Yeah, the publisher is pretty good in that regard. They do get the book placed in as many locations as possible. Some of my past books have been in the stores as well. Was there more than one copy? Or just the one? MachineClaw
Scott's Power X1 book , the forums and people posting here have really been so helpful. great community here.
Hey Robert... thanks very much for reading my book. I appreciate it. Are you still using SONAR X1? Just curious... M_Glenn_M
Scott's Sonar X1,
Thanks so much, Glenn! It's great to have my work appreciated. John
Fascinating Beep. What you write is very true. It does get easier over time and a little effort.
And John... another thanks for the great review you posted for SONAR X2 Power! Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 19:03:59
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Yeah, X1 producer here due to running XP.
Scared to upgrade both due to all the installing and frustration I will surely encounter for this and all my many other programs and hardware etc.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 19:06:03
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M_Glenn_M
+1 for sure. well said.
Thanks to:
This forum,
Scott's Sonar X1,
Mixing Secrets (Mike Senior)
Mixing Audio (Roey Izhaki)
Those are the 3 that I always have to hand, along with Bob Kats's "Mastering Audio"
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 19:13:20
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M_Glenn_M
+1 for sure. well said.
Thanks to:
This forum,
Scott's Sonar X1,
Mixing Secrets (Mike Senior)
Mixing Audio (Roey Izhaki)
Those are the 3 that I always have to hand, along with Bob Kats's "Mastering Audio"
Those three are my go to books as well, and live in my studio right next to my DAW. Bob Katz is one that I keep meaning to get. I guess, so far, that I've struggled so much with using Sonar and mixing that I've not felt ready to move on to the mastering phase.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 21:22:41
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Using Sonar X1 Producer X1d and the Power Sonar X1 book. I bought the upgrade to X2 Producer just haven't installed cause I'm too scared after reading the forums for a while and take lanes etc.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 21:22:59
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Yes to the above...so true..it is defo better here!!!
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 21:30:09
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Quick comment on the power book. You can go to the library page and check it out. You can't download it, but you can use it on line and read and learn. it's in the resource pages. Nice reading.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 22:24:23
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/07/10 16:56:08
I find these days there are a whole swag of sources for information about any DAW. Here are a few tips I give my sound engineering students to help them learn a new DAW. Go to the website and download and print off all the information about that DAW. It will amount to quite a few pages. And yes there are things in there you will not have known your software can do. It is a good starter. Read all the Sound on Sound reviews of that DAW. Reviews are great because they have to cover lots in a short time. I have picked up a lot from these reviews. I had to teach a guy FL Studio once. In SOS there is a review for every version from 4 right up to 10. The first one will often give the main stuff and the subsequent reviews will only cover the additions in the new version. I learned heaps from the reviews alone. Watch all the videos on the DAW website that relate to that DAW. There are often many many videos to watch. They are great and you learn a lot quickly too. Also there are a lot more on Youtube too. Extra ones from the companies themselves and some amateur ones but all very helpful. Read any books that have been specifically published on your DAW like Scott's books. Buy every video that Groove 3 (and the DAW company itself if they have them) has made on your DAW. These are great and very well made. A must! The Manual Well this is the scary one. Manuals are sometimes well written and sometimes not but the reality is that a lot of information is in the manual. If you get stuck open up the manual. 9 times out of 10 you will solve the issue. Sonar X2 has got a beauty. Studio One is good too but not as big but that is a good thing because I can read it completely and I try to do that once a year. (When I was doing demos for the V Studio 700 system for Roland at one point I read that manual three or four times before I even switched it on! But when I did I was using it as well and as fast as Seth and Brandon. It saved a lot of time. That information does sink in believe it or not) Practice what you have learned. It is the best way. But if you do the stuff above you will be very well prepared to get straight into it! Have fun.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/22 22:31:49
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Hey Scott I was heartened to see X2 Power in Barnes and Noble yesterday - that's the first time I've seen a Sonar book in there...
Hey J... very cool. I didn't know it had made it into the stores yet. Yeah, the publisher is pretty good in that regard. They do get the book placed in as many locations as possible. Some of my past books have been in the stores as well. Was there more than one copy? Or just the one?
There were two copies!
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/23 00:03:15
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Reading beep's first post made me think of the process of learning a musical instrument. Well done beep.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/23 00:37:21
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+1 I could probably list only a dozen things I do in Sonar that's 99% of what I do, and half a dozen things that I've been doing the past 23 years that's 75% of what I do (that's pulling in MIDI experience). A little bit will carry you a long, long way. I barely scratch the surface of Sonar. But *do* make an effort to learn more. I go through phases periodically where I'll add little bits to my repertoire of what I use. John
One thing about DAWs is you don't have to know everything about them . You just need to know the parts you use. If you have no use for MIDI there is no reason to learn it for example. Though many have curious minds and want to know as much as they can learn.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/23 02:25:26
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I, too, am a "Beepster" Sonar x2a is my first - and so far only - experience with a DAW. With recording, period. Of course, I've been in a studio environment, but, I've never been on the engineering/producing end. I jumped into X2 at the beginning of this year. At first, I was overwhelmed. Then, I loaded the pdf manual onto my Kindle, lived in this forum, bought Scott's X2 Power (it is my bible, right next my qwerty keyboard), subscribed to Groove 3's recording site and have never looked back. Like Beepster, I'm getting better. Six months ago, I think my ratio was 3 parts learning (manual, forums, videos) to 1 part doing. Meaning I'd "study" before I recorded. Now, I work with X2, more than I read about it. But, there's still - like Beep said - a long way to go. Yesterday, I used take lanes for the very first time. Was a little timid, at first, because of all the drama here in the forum. But, all went well. Because, I resorted back to my "3:1 ratio" before I delved in. It's exciting. In a couple of weeks, I'll be ready to share my first project: a song written, recorded, mixed and mastered all in X2! The more I work with it, the more I wanna work with it! My wife was getting suspicious because I was spending so much time in my "hole". Then, I played her a rough mix of my song and she said "YOU did that? Alone?" Like Beepster said ... it does get easier!
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2013/06/23 08:03:18
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Right on, guys. I was feeling a little sappy when I wrote that. Got some meatworld issues screwing with me and I had been trying for weeks to figure out a plan to fix an old recording for release using audiosnap. I had been running into a lot of problems and wasn't sure if it was going to actually work but I completed the tester and it was like a weight lifted. I get it now and can move forward.
@John... Couldn't have done it without you guys. Stay awesome.
@Scott... I'm actually on X2 but still find X1 Power to be more than relevant. If something isn't jibing then I check the X2 manual to see if there has been a change. I've been meaning to pick up X2 power but life has decided to start kicking me in the pants again so I have to save my money for the emergency fund. I will get it at some point though. Cheers.
@trimph... Cheers to you my fellow canuckian. ;-)
@Jeff... Spot on. Exactly how I've been trying to roll except a little more frugally. The free month of Grooove3 vids we got was a LIFE saver. I knew I wasn't going to be able to throw any cash at that in the long term so I basically shut out EVERYTHING (no calls, no going out, kept quick/easy to cook food in the house, eliminated all distractions) and spend every waking hour of that month watching the vids and taking notes. Now I've got an entire folder on my computer filled with notepad docs on pretty much everything to do with Sonar and a bunch of other ones with more general stuff based on the mixing and effects tuts. They have proven more than useful. Cheers.
@mudgel... It's true. Sonar, to me, is very very much like learning another instrument. In fact it's like learning a whole whack of instruments. I wonder what would have happened if I had access to this kind of thing before I got into guitar. Would I have spent as much time endlessly twiddling away on the axe or even picked it up at all? Who knows. It's probably for the best I didn't dork out too young. ;-)
@FullBug... Sounds like you're moving quicker than I did. Awesome.
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Re: To all my fellow "beginners". It does get easier.
2013/06/23 08:17:09
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It gets progressively easier as you become accustomed to the software and it eventually becomes instinctive, so you can start focusing on the music instead of the software. But then you upgrade and it becomes harder again.
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2013/06/23 08:27:47
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Hear Hear!!!!
Yes indeed it does get easier. I recall my first days with MC4, my new laptop and a new interface. It took me the better part of 2 weeks to get sound coming out of the speakers and begin the journey to becoming a home recording enthusiast.
The key to success in any endevour is to stick with it and push through the dead ends and road blocks. Oh yeah, and don't be afraid to ask for help when you are truly stuck.
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Hear Hear!!!!
Yes indeed it does get easier. I recall my first days with MC4, my new laptop and a new interface. It took me the better part of 2 weeks to get sound coming out of the speakers and begin the journey to becoming a home recording enthusiast.
The key to success in any endevour is to stick with it and push through the dead ends and road blocks. Oh yeah, and don't be afraid to ask for help when you are truly stuck.
And that should be encouraging to us all because you seem to really know your stuff. I make sure to pay attention to your posts in the Techniques forum. We all came into this world n00bs. ;-)
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Hey Scott I was heartened to see X2 Power in Barnes and Noble yesterday - that's the first time I've seen a Sonar book in there...
Hey J... very cool. I didn't know it had made it into the stores yet. Yeah, the publisher is pretty good in that regard. They do get the book placed in as many locations as possible. Some of my past books have been in the stores as well. Was there more than one copy? Or just the one?
There were two copies!
Cool... two is better than one... or none.  Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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2013/06/23 09:04:58
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@Scott... I'm actually on X2 but still find X1 Power to be more than relevant. If something isn't jibing then I check the X2 manual to see if there has been a change. I've been meaning to pick up X2 power but life has decided to start kicking me in the pants again so I have to save my money for the emergency fund. I will get it at some point though. Cheers.
Hey Beepster... yep, I hear ya. I hope things get better soon. Although for other people reading this, I'll say that SONAR X1 Power isn't really relevant for SONAR X2. There were many additions and changes in SONAR X2 Power including... New topics covered include: Take Lanes, Automation Lanes, Automation Modes, new Smart Tool operations in all the views, new clip functions in Track view, Piano Roll view editing and Controller lanes, new Snap to Grid features, R-MIX SONAR, FX Chains 2.0, new ProChannel features, ProChannel Console Emulator, ProChannel QuadCurve EQ, ProChannel Softube Knob, and much more. In addition, the SONAR X2a update and features added in the SONAR X1a, b, c, d, and Expanded updates are included in this new edition. More info here: http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp
Thanks! Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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