Pragi
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To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
What do you think, is it still a big quality jump from imo the best Vst-plugs like Sonnox, Softube, Fabfilter a.s.o to the sound quality of the UAD cards. In times of high performance i7 processors and 64 bit engine the uad cards still work in 32 bit. has anyone here experience on how to handle them in 64 bit system ( via J bridge? , is more then one instance possible? ). Don´t have have the possibility to try them. Thanks for every hind. Pragi
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Phonic
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 18:22:40
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While I wouldn't say that there is a massive difference in quality between Fabfilter (which I know) and UAD, I still think UAD plugins are worth it. I still remember the first time I heard a UAD compressor and I couldn't believe the sound it had. I think that these days there is no "better" quality, only that the sound is different, not better but different. I have some Fabfilter plugins (limiter, eq and compressor) and I love them. I use the Fabfilter EQ instead of the UAD one in everything now. I tend to freeze or mixdown most of my plugins so I cannot comment on the performance of UAD, but my solo and quad are quite good at running multiple plugs and having some stuff UAD and some native is quite a powerful setup. Bitbridge runs UAD flawlessly, you don't need Jbridge for UAD. Sooner than later UAD will be 64bit so it won't matter.
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tacman7
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 21:04:07
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I really like the UAD stuff, I have two cards (UAD1 and UAD2) in my xp32bit machine, works as good now as the day I got it. I haven't updated because I like to use the Nigel guitar FX. That and I'm lazy. New versions of the drivers don't have Nigel. There's a lot of new plug ins out that I don't have but the ones I have do everything I need. You might go used on ebay but you need to be up on how the system works so you don't get ripped off by someone selling plug ins with the card. I do think they add something over the native ones. Spend $2500 and get the interface with a quad DSP built in, Apollo.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 21:07:27
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I'd would spend the money somewhere else than UAD. Just my 2 cents.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 21:30:44
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The new UAD 1176 compressors can not be beat.... at all. I would get a solo card just for them alone.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 21:32:47
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I have been using UAD for many years now and am happy with the quality. I primarily use UAD plugins in my projects - the rest are mostly Nebula. Sometimes I have issues with Bitbridge and UAD causing Sonar crashes, but it's not a big deal (I save my projects obsessively before doing any major edits). The plugins will be 64-bit probably next month, but certainly by December (per UAD's announcement on the subject). I get by fine with a Duo, but sometimes wish I had a Quad for certain projects (without one, I occasionally need to freeze tracks in Sonar). It can be a big investment, though, so be prepared to spend lots of money on plugins after you buy the card (do your research and buy smart - in the old days I used to buy anything by UAD that was new - but now I only buy what I think I absolutely need).
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melmyers
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 22:03:10
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I love my UAD plug-ins and have no trouble running them on my Sonar X1 64 bit system. Take it from a guy who actually used tape for years, the Ampex ATR-102 tape machine emulation is fantastic. Their NEVE stuff is killer...the EMT reverbs are impressive...I could go on and on. The 1176 package is a major new accomplishment, but it's only fitting, because UAD made the hardware in the first place. Universal Audio was a leader in working out deals with the manufacturers of the products they model, so they could actually use the brand names. This gives me confidence that even the manufacturers believe in Universal Audio's ability to accurately model quality processing units. They wouldn't risk their reputation otherwise. Check out comments online and in the recording magazines. More and more, major producers and mixers say they can't live without their UAD plug-in's. Once you've made the leap to a UAD-2 card, you can try any and all plug-in's for free to decide what you need in your arsenal. Beware! You may like them all. I'm not saying that a loaded UAD-2 system is cheap...but I do believe it's worth it.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/10 22:11:59
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Hi Pragi, I actually own some of the hardware that is emulated in my UAD and I still like the plugs (not as much as the HW, but still...). The 1176 emulations are fantastic (and I own actual 1176's) and I really like the Manley EQ and Precision EQ. The Tape emulation, FATSO, and plate reverb are on just about every track I do these days as well. The LA2A is really very good as well...I don't own one but I do have a TLA-100 to compare against. Are there other plugs that are as "good"? Possibly, but the UAD stuff is on pretty much everything I do. A couple suggestions: First, I wouldn't buy it for the DSP processing. The power of modern CPU's is such that I don't think the advantage of the processing being done on the card is really that big a deal. For me I just like the plugs. Second, don't ever pay full price for the plugins. UAD has a different sale every month and if you're patient you'll find whatever you want for 15 or 20 percent off. Good luck Dean EDIT - Oh, and I run them under Sonar x64 without a problem. I like Jbridge better than BitBridge, but BB works fine.
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Pragi
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 03:41:09
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Thank you so far for the immediate reply. The most answers here are a confirmation to what I read in different books and magazines. So I will try tacman`s recommendation and buy an UAD 1 card on ebay for cheap just to try. This makes sense to me cause my core 2 duo -32 bit -machine is being changed to a 64 bit machine next month, but I will still take it for recording uses. If it is possible to run this card on 64 bit systems with bitbridge, it is possible to incorporate it there too. I read in another forum, that the UAD 1 cards wouldn`t be supported in the future.Did I read it right, that they still run under Win 7 ? Thanks for every answer ! Pragi
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Anderton
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 03:41:14
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64-bit versions are forthcoming.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 04:27:34
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From my point of view: UAD making great products, thats why I am using it. But not all their products are so great. For example: LA2A plugin was beaten by Cake's PC2A emulation and I can say it after intensive testing of these two {I think PC2A is currently best sounding LA2A emulation on market and yes I tried every brand}. Roland D Dim from UAD is joke compared to Emptyroomsystems emulation for 49 bucks. I think Cakewalk as a Roland division can also make D Dim and SpaceEcho emulations and it can be much better. Neve stuff from UAD sounds like joke compared to CDsoundmaster N-TEN-AT4 {80 bucks} which is KILLER, again I am saying this after intensive testing SSL stuff I think after comparing Waves Duende UAD and Sonar pro channel the clear winner is Duende, of course they use their own codes so no surprise, but I think if Cake work on this kind of SSL channel strip and buss compressor, they can bring at least comparable product to UAD or Waves. For now it is not very usable because lack of transparency {especially PC4K compressor} UAD 1176 emulation is clear winner, but again Cake can do something with it as there is some kind of emulation in pro channel {but not even comparable to Waves 1176}... So for me the biggest UAD advantage is in special processing tools and reverbs. I cannot imagine mixing without two of them - Studer and EMT 250, by far best of UAD plugins
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 05:48:12
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Pragi, the UAD-1 will not run most of the newer UAD plug-in's and will not be supported when Universal Audio eventually evolves to 64 bit. You will need a UAD-2 card to keep up with the latest emulations and the coming improvements.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 07:07:33
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+1 on the UAD2 being special. UAD1 support has already been dropped from the software upgrades, so the plugs that are x64 won't be available for the UAD1. A UAD2 SOLO card is still pretty cheap and has 4 times the power of a UAD1. The UAD2 plugs run fine in SONAR x64 under a bit bridge and the hardware driver for the UAD2 cards have been x64 for a few years now (only the plugs are 32 bit). Just my 2 cents. Jim
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 09:04:05
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Pragi, I've owned a UAD-1 card for many years. I believe most of their plugin emulations are superior to the competition (including cakewalk's plugs), particularly the compressors, however this could be taste as well. As others have said above, UAD has ended support for their UAD-1 cards, so if you're looking to purchase something now, you should go with a UAD-2. I've run 32-bit UAD-1 plugs within x64 Sonar without issues, but again, as others have said above, UAD is intending to ship 64bit versions of their plugs in the coming months. Regarding performance - CPU power has increased so much over the last few years, I don't think purchasing a UAD card simply to offload processing from your host CPU is really the primary objective any longer, as it may have been 10 years ago. Ultimately I think it comes down to if you prefer their plugins and want to invest in hardware. Personally I wish UAD would stop using their hardware card, as I'd love to keep using their plugs without having to upgrade hardware. If you know someone with a UAD a card and can compare their plugs with competitors before purchasing, that would be best - so you don't throw down several hundred for a UAD card and some plugs, only to find you don't feel the UAD plugs are much better than what you already have. Personally, while I prefer the UAD plugs, I've decided to stop investing in their hardware (I'm not upgrading to a UAD-2 card), as I found Cakewalk plugs very usable and 'good enough' as well. I'm not a professional and the Cake plugins are probably more than what I'll ever need. I haven't found a replacement for UAD's realverb pro, but maybe someday I'll break down and try Valhalla. Hope this helps. Russ
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 09:20:33
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If I was starting over, I'd rethink my UAD investment because you are tied to hardware. I have over $1k in plugins, and if a card dies then they can't be used.
Plus their cards are underpowered. I'm paying $300 for a reverb I have limited instances of. Seems lame. I love their plugins, but they are so damn expensive when you take instance-limiting into consideration. They should give us the ability to run natively and use the card as an iLok type device.
Also, the cards themselves aren't cheap. You can buy Waves Mercury and WUP for the same price as one of the higher-end cards if I'm not mistaken. That'd probably be the route I'd go if I was to start again.
There is a huge thread on Gearslutz dealing with all this. Many trolls, but a lot of great points by people like me, who love the plugs but don't see how underpowered expensive cards can justify using them. I haven't boughten a plugin in a long long time. Actually, I waited till one came on sale, used a $50 voucher, and bought one for $40 haha.
However, I must say that UA is a great company and is always always always quick to help. My old UAD-1 died (that I bought from Cakewalk with S7 I think) as the UAD-2 was launched, so they sent me a UAD-2 free due to the issues I was having with contacting the proper people (I bought it from Cakewalk, and was told by both companies to contact the other, etc etc etc). So in the end, UA made their best effort to keep me happy. UA is a fine fine company service and quality wise... just have to rethink how they are going to go forward with today's powerful PCs/Macs IMHO.
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tacman7
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 09:24:12
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If you find a 1 card with a good assortment of plugs, could be a good deal. Just make sure they have an account and will transfer ownership of all their plugs on that card/account. You can always add a 2 card. The older drivers are available but the new plugins won't work on the 1 card, lot of them are hogs and eat up the 2 cards. Still a lot of plugs do work on the 1 card, but it is hard to work with just a 1 card. You want/need more, but it is a way to get into it slowly.
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 09:26:55
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Just so you know, I just had a chat before reading this post with a mate of mine who recently bought the UAD Apollo I/O. He's the kind of guy that throws new high-end cables out if he doesn't like their sound, plus he has an LA2A and LA610 hardware unit. He reckons the UAD stuff is just beyond brilliant if you have the moola. Just so you know :O)
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Re:To uad, or not to uad, that is the question .
2012/09/11 10:05:34
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I'm happy with my UAD-2 Solo card that came as a bonus when I bought my UA 710 preamp. I don't worry too much about overloading the card with realtime plugins because once I've made a decision how I am going to process a track, I am satisfied to freeze the track and leave it alone knowing that I can always come back to it.
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