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2014/12/02 11:06:01 (permalink)

Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor

Mastering compressor ... free and paid GE edition...
TDR Kotelnikov is a wideband dynamics processor combining high fidelity dynamic range control with deep musical flexibility. As a descendant of the venerable TDR Feedback Compressor product family, Kotelnikov has directly inherited several unique features such as a proven control scheme, individual release control for peak and RMS content, an intuitive user interface, and powerful, state of the art, high-precision algorithms.
With a sonic signature best described as “stealthy”, Kotelnikov has the ability to manipulate the dynamic range by dramatic amounts, while carefully preserving the original tone, timbre and punch of a musical signal. As such, it is perfectly suited to stereo bus compression as well as other critical applications.
The concept is “proudly digital” in the sense that it doesn’t try to emulate any previously existing device. This is the original!

Key specs and features

  • 64bit floating point precision for all relevant calculations
  • Multi-rate processing structure for highest accuracy
  • “Delta” oversampled signal path (bit transparent at 0dB gain reduction)
  • Super fast, yet natural sounding compression
  • “Crest factor” based control scheme offering independent release controls for peak and RMS events
  • Flexible sidechain highpass filter
  • Advanced stereo linking options optimized for the stereo bus
  • Delta preview mode to preview the difference between compressed and original signal
  • Latency compensated parallel bypass (i.e. processing not interrupted) 
http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-kotelnikov/
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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 14:44:52 (permalink)
Definitely going to give this a try. We'll see how "intuitive" the UI is...the feedback compressor was somewhat less than intuitive. But once I figured out how it worked, it did a fine job even though I have other compressors that are faster and easier to dial in, and more CPU-efficient. The TDR Feedback Compressor never quite made it into my first-string lineup, but it's good. I expect Kotelnikov will be, too. (But jeez, they could have come up with an easier-to-remember name.)


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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 17:07:25 (permalink)
I love TDR's other stuff and bringing in Vlad G was a very smart thing to do. I'll try the demo.

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 17:29:46 (permalink)
Initial experiments are promising. At first I saw "mastering" in the name and assumed it was a limiter, but quickly found out that it's a bus compressor and suitable for drum and other submix busses as well as inserting on the master in front of your limiter.
 
Just like TDR Feedback Compressor, there are separate peak and RMS thresholds, and you adjust their relationship via a "crest factor" knob. Like TDRFC, it's no dumbed-down one-knob effect - you have to think about what you're doing, understand the difference between peak versus RMS compression, and have a peak-to-average goal in mind before you start.


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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 17:50:59 (permalink)
My first trial ended with a crash. I right clicked in the fx bin to remove it and....crash.

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 17:55:57 (permalink)
Now I can't seem to get it to crash...Let's pretend it didn't happen then. The comp itself sounds great to me, I love the added features such as the HPF and the stereo thingy.

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 19:24:08 (permalink)
The first time I tried Feedback Compressor it crashed SONAR. I didn't revisit it until version 2, after which the problem never reoccurred. It happens with new products, and for the price nobody's complaining.


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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/02 21:57:42 (permalink)
Downloaded...   I'm curious to mess with the peak/RMS aspect.
 

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/03 22:05:41 (permalink)
Toneboosters is about to upgrade their (or his) Buscomp too and Klanghelm is working on another as well. These independent guys are knocking it out of the park!

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/04 09:16:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Elffin 2014/12/04 09:28:53
TDR/Fabien have become one of my favorite devs, because a) Fabien really knows his sh*t, and b) the products are being actively developed and improved, despite being freebies. With some further optimization and some tutorial documentation these could easily become successful commercial products. But for $0 I'm willing to accept the extra CPU cycles and having to figure it out for myself.
 
The key to understanding this plugin is that there are two separate detectors, one looking at peaks and the other measuring RMS. With most compressors, you're either looking just at peaks or you have a choice of peaks or RMS. This results in the common practice of using two compressors in series on busses, one to contain peaks and the other for leveling. With Kotelnikov, one plugin handles both. Separate release times for peaks and RMS means you can let transients reset quickly while smoothing the overall volume with slower RMS release times. Or do the opposite for things you want to pump to the beat. Many combinations, but I haven't tried them all yet.
 
The trick is getting the peak and RMS detectors to not fight one another, e.g. when you have large peaks but low overall average values. The "crest factor" knob handles that, by setting the relative influence of the peak and RMS detectors. Turn crest factor down to raise RMS (loudness), turn it up to mainly just control excessive peaks.
 
In this way you are able to decide how much punch you're willing to sacrifice in the name of loudness, or vice versa. Turn it fully counter-clockwise to turn the plugin into a plain peak compressor. Turn it fully clockwise to make it straight RMS compressor. Set it to around 3dB to give peak and RMS equal weight, a good place to start on the master bus.
 
You'll also want to adjust the Knee parameter depending on how the compressor is being used. For leveling, turn it to 12 o'clock or more. For peak limiting, turn it fully counter-clockwise.
 
Even though it's intended as a mastering compressor, the plugin's minimum attack time of 20 microseconds puts it in 1176 territory in terms of ultra-fast clamping/clipping. I haven't explored this aspect yet, not generally being a fan of very fast attacks except for specific remedial situations. But I think it's pretty cool that one plugin covers so many bases.


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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/04 14:28:49 (permalink)
Nice overview of how those controls work together!    Thanks, Bit. 
 

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2014/12/04 19:55:28 (permalink)
I grabbed it when this thread first appeared and I have been demoing it on some songs I am currently working with. Nice stuff!

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 16:35:36 (permalink)
Hi all,
I'm trying Kotelnikov plugin (1.0.7) and its brother Nova (1.0.8), both free, with latest Sonar Artist (21.12.00 B36 64x) and as soon as either of them is on I get audio drop outs. The strange thing is that it doesn't happen every time, but quite often. I've tried different solutions, but nothing seems to be effective. When they work, they are great, but this unpredictable drop out force me to turn them off.
Anyone has similar results?
post edited by divoodoo - 2016/02/13 17:29:06
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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 17:37:12 (permalink)
Kotelnikov is pretty CPU-intensive, not uncommon for a mastering tool. Fortunately, during the mastering phase of your project, latency is no longer an issue and you can increase your buffer size and thus eliminate those dropouts.


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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 17:37:18 (permalink)
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Hi all,
I'm trying Kotelnikov plugin (1.0.7) and its brother Nova (1.0.8), both free, with latest Sonar Artist (21.12.00 B36 64x) and as soon as either of them is on I get audio drop outs. The strange thing is that it doesn't happen every time, but quite often. I've tried different solutions, but nothing seems to be effective. When they work, they are great, but this unpredictable drop out force me to turn them off.
Anyone has similar results?

You don't say WHAT different solutions you tried. Have you increased the buffer setting in your ASIO driver? What are your computer specs?

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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 18:23:20 (permalink)
Bit of latency. Responds with a gritty, distorted ramp in extreme settings.
 
Very nice compressor otherwise. End result is all in the fine tuning.
 
As much as I don't need another compressor, this one is a keeper. They done good. Significant advancement over their TDR comps.
 
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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 19:03:37 (permalink)
Playing around with this thing more, and got to give it a 5 star thumbs up from my microcosm.
 
My use of compression is crude and primitive. Mastering aside, how does it inflict sustain on a guitar after a subtle tuned Reaper noise gate in the chain.
 
Got to put it up there with Distorque's Vitamin C and Audio Damage Rough Rider, given my limited purpose and vision.
 
Really cool offering from the Tokyo guys.
 
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Re: Tokyo Dawn Records: Kotelnikov - Mastering compressor 2016/02/13 19:05:47 (permalink)
I upgraded to the GE edition a while back. This is my master bus comp.

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