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Re: Tom Petty & Jeff Lynne awarded royalties for Sam Smith single 2015/01/28 02:19:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/01/28 12:53:52
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FWIW, and I felt I needed to mention that I genuinely appreciate the fact that you guys keep the conversation on a very civilized level. Sometimes I'm afraid my wording sounds harsher than I'd really like and I don't necessarily manage to put every nuance across the way I should. 
 
So, thank you folks for being such gentlemen. :)
 
Now back to our regular program...


I remember in one of my early convos with you i took some things harsher than you intended but i decided to reserve making an opinion and just observed. i enjoy the fact that you are rarely uncivil to people even if you disagree.  Most issues do not have definitive right/wrong positions but passionate opinions people mistake for facts.  I think discussing things, even things we don't see the same, benefits us by at least giving us another perspective.
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Re: Tom Petty & Jeff Lynne awarded royalties for Sam Smith single 2015/01/29 13:19:31 (permalink)
 
"About the Sam Smith thing. Let me say I have never had any hard feelings toward Sam.  All my years of songwriting have shown me these things can happen.  Most times you catch it before it gets out the studio door but in this case it got by.  Sam’s people were very understanding of our predicament and we easily came to an agreement.  The word lawsuit was never even said and was never my intention.  And no more was to be said about it. How it got out to the press is beyond Sam or myself.  Sam did the right thing and I have thought no more about this.  A musical accident no more no less. In these times we live in this is hardly news. I wish Sam all the best for his ongoing career. Peace and love to all."
 
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Re: Tom Petty & Jeff Lynne awarded royalties for Sam Smith single 2015/01/29 15:21:56 (permalink)
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There is a lot more room if you simply venture beyond 3 or 4 chord. Part of a phrase or a series of note may be similar, but you still have opportunities to take them somewhere entirely different.

 
oh my ... we're already getting into fusion and jazz and progressive music, now!
 

 
Rain
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Why, for example, should a group of teenager expect to become star musicians and be regarded as songwriters without first learning the basics and earning those titles? Why do we value ignorance and lack of skills so much that they become a right and a stepping stone in the quest for notoriety instead of a potential and something which should be worked upon, with time and humility, out of the spotlight?
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I think that a lot of this starts out when you are young and you learn your first riff, and your first song. It's about teaching you "music" from a known perspective, and that does not include (most teachers have no feel for it!!!), how you feel and attune to the sound of each note itself, and how you would develop that.
 
This is what you see in a child, before they even know a song! They seem to run all over the keyboard and do some weird/interesting things, but we do not know or understand how this is related to their inner selves, and IF, it is an expression, instead of anything else ... another element that is very difficult to discuss.
 
Learning things from the outside, will eventually cause these situations. There aren't many of us that did not grow up with Beatles, Who, Led Zep and many others, and inevitably a sequence of three or four notes gets used up ... but in a different context.
 
Now, for a different point of view, get a hold of Robert Wyatt's latest CD ... and you wonder how a 60 something old man can do a child ... and there it is! And I thought that at any time that anyone was trying to create a melody, Robert would instantly add something totally off its rocker and from some other planet out there! 
 
We're in a commercial society ... so why would we be upset if the lawyers went after more money? They do get a nice percentage off it for a long time, after all, and if you pile up 100 of those, you don't have to work the rest of your life?
 
In the end, it is the youngsters that suffer and are being intimidated into not playing or learn music ... and to me, that is evil and unjustified and should be stopped. However, like any artist, we all want to be paid, but I can tell you that robbing someone's inspiration would never be justified. If I were Jeff or Tom, I would wait for the next album and see if there was a lot more ripoffs in there. If there were, then the suit would be justified, but a one off is not and the judges and lawyers should have told Tom and Jeff to go get ****ed!
 
Regardless of Tom's feelings and note, he doesn't need the money and should not be flaunting his strength across the board. Or Jeff Lynne, although I doubt that he is as well off as Tom, and probably could use a few more nickels in his coffer ... but what we paying for? Their 15th Century cuisine utensils?
 
Give it a break!
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Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Tom Petty & Jeff Lynne awarded royalties for Sam Smith single 2015/01/29 20:09:56 (permalink)
I went back and listened to a lot of Petty's music and realized much of it is based on simple, common riffs and that the distinctive  factor was his unique voice. Not trying to take anything from him as an artist, but we are not talking about someone who pushed the envelope musically. I am glad that the susituation seemed to be settled amicably, but the fact that it was leaked leads me to believe that it may have been amicable  in the sense that Smith's side simply caved quickly and there is a good chance someone in his camp was not pleased.
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