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2015/12/17 19:26:55 (permalink)

Tomorrow's the day

Well, in twelve hours I go under the knife in an attempt to rectify nearly forty years of overplaying..
 
I am having one of the joints in my right hand thumb fused (due to "Gamekeepers' Thumb").
 
How much this will affect my playing is anyone's guess.  The surgeon thinks that I should be able to compensate for the reduced movement - I am beyond petrified.
 
Not only is music (guitar and piano especially) my passion, but also the means of putting food on my family's table.
 
In the grand scheme of things it is trivial, I guess - not life threatening, but worries me more than the spinal surgery I had when I broke my back.  Priorities, eh?
 
 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/17 19:29:05 (permalink)
    Good luck and the best of wishes! I think your playing will be just fine!

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/17 19:38:04 (permalink)
    Start playing again as soon as possible. I had carpal tunnel surgery on my left hand and they said it would be 6 weeks until I was right again. I started playing guitar within 24 hours, very gently. I was back at work in 1 week and had a great recovery. I'm sure that using the hand right away had a huge effect on a speedy recovery.
     
    Best of luck, don't worry.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/17 19:53:22 (permalink)
    Thanks for your kind words Bayoubill and John.
     
    The surgeon said that I shouldn't play for six weeks, and it would take three months+ (and a lot of physio) before I was anywhere back to full speed.
     
    When I first saw him, he said he said that treating professional musicians was always difficult, and I should rest if he told me to.  His words were - "Rest, to a professional musician, is only playing five hours a day instead of seven."  Made me smile.
     
    I assured him that I would not be like that..
     
    I have only taken seventeen days off from the Music Academy where I teach (Xmas & New Year, basically), so it didn't take me long to ignore his advice. 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/17 21:06:05 (permalink)
    I understand how this can be a huge source of worries for a guitar player.
     
     
    I threw a few punches for fun recently and I seem to have somehow messed up the same shoulder/arm that was injured in the car accident last year. It never healed 100% and never will, but letting go on a punching bag, w/o even warming up, really didn't help.
     
    While it's not too painful, I think there's a nerve messed up somewhere and as a result, the thumb of my right hand feels funny - a bit weak. It's pretty amazing how the slightest thing can impact your playing...
     
    Anyway - best of luck, my friend.
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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 00:13:39 (permalink)
    Good luck! 
     
    (I was going to say that actually next Tuesday is the day, since that's my birthday, but the internal topic was too serious so I chose not to mention it.  )

     
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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 01:15:15 (permalink)
    Good luck. Jerry Garcia had to completely relearn how to play guitar after his coma. Django Reinhardt lost 3 of his fingers in a fire and look how his playing turned out. If you have to play, you'll play one way or the other even if you don't heal fully. 
     
    When I had skin cancer a few years back they removed a lymph node from my armpit as a precaution and the surgeon told me that there was a chance that the associated nerve damage might affect my guitar playing. I too was petrified. But in the end it didn't make much difference. My arm feels kind of weird sometimes and I get some numbness but it all turned out well. I'm sure you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about in a few weeks. 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 05:56:38 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure it's due to damage caused by diabetes, but I'm getting an increasing numbness in my little finger (fretting hand)
     
    It's not hampering my playing yet but I do worry what happens if it spreads.
     
    Best wishes JB, hope you make a speedy & sustained recovery.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 07:08:12 (permalink)
    My thoughts will be with you JB.  Please have a speedy recovery. 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 08:29:46 (permalink)
    Our human nature has a good built in mechanism to adjust to circumstances and various situations.....with a little time to recover, you'll be back to your keys and guitars. Best of luck JB.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 09:29:32 (permalink)
    Good luck JB - that is indeed scary and I look forward to you getting through it quickly. I too was going to mention Django - no matter what happens you should still be making music! :)
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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 09:57:37 (permalink)
    Ditto to ampfixer's recommendation: start exercising that hand as soon as possible. Don't wait until the pain goes away completely. It'll be rough but you'll be glad you did this in the end.
     
    Les Paul could still play rings around most people even while suffering from extreme arthritis that took away the use of 3 fingers on his picking hand. Earlier in life, when he'd severely broken his arm, he had it set at a 90-degree angle so he could play the guitar. It took him 2 years to get his chops back, but then continued to perform as one of the all-time masters of the instrument for the next 60 years.


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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 09:59:41 (permalink)
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    Start playing again as soon as possible. I had carpal tunnel surgery on my left hand and they said it would be 6 weeks until I was right again. I started playing guitar within 24 hours, very gently. I was back at work in 1 week and had a great recovery. I'm sure that using the hand right away had a huge effect on a speedy recovery.
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    Of course it did ... it helped create circulation which is what healing is about! 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 10:05:41 (permalink)
    Good luck!

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2015/12/18 10:14:52 (permalink)
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    Good luck!


    Yeah ... hang in there ... forgot that part on the post!

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 10:50:54 (permalink)
    Thanks to everyone for their well wishes and advice.
     
    The operation did not go according to plan.  They were wiring up the joint, and, due to my osteoporosis, when they tightened the wires the bone collapsed.  They had to fit a metal plate.
     
    The upshot of this is that I will be in plaster for at least six weeks.  There is also some concern as to how long the bone will take to heal, due to the treatment I am receiving for the osteoporosis.
     
    Playing is pretty much out of the question as the plaster prevents me from moving my wrist and thumb, and I cannot touch my thumb and fingers together.  I have tried to play (contrary to surgeon's advice) but it is almost impossible.
     
    I see the surgeon on Tuesday, so may know more then.  I cannot even drive, so even the school run is out of the question.  I intend to start back teaching at the Academy on Wednesday, and am not sure how that will go.  Even getting there will be an issue, let alone teaching when I can't play.  I guess my students are in for a lot of theory over the next month. 
     
    Anyhow, wishing I hadn't had it done now, and feeling really low about it.  I guess things will improve, but just seems crap at the moment.  I know many people have overcome greater issues, so I hold on to that.
     
    Anyhow, thanks again for your kind words.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 11:15:52 (permalink)
    Holy crap, jb. That's some scary sh*t. Hang in there, man, we're all pulling for you.
     
    On a lighter note, think about what kind of metaphysical wisdom you'll pass on to your students while on Hydrocodone.


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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 11:23:26 (permalink)
    I am sorry to hear the bad news but I am sure you will find a way to reach your goals somehow and I hope you hear good news from your surgeon! Maybe you could use an assistant if you can't play? Also perhaps there are specially made guitars that are easier to play? I found this but it may not help:
    https://www.galaxyguitar.com/ft1.html
    (Sorry for being too intrusive)
    post edited by kakku - 2016/01/02 11:54:35

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 15:00:09 (permalink)
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    Holy crap, jb. That's some scary sh*t. Hang in there, man, we're all pulling for you.
     
    On a lighter note, think about what kind of metaphysical wisdom you'll pass on to your students while on Hydrocodone.


    Thanks, Bit. It is pretty scary. I am on morphine anyway, even before the op, so I think my students are used to the odd far out lecture. I guess the increased dosage may push them over the edge..

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 15:05:30 (permalink)
    kakku
    I am sorry to hear the bad news but I am sure you will find a way to reach your goals somehow and I hope you hear good news from your surgeon! Maybe you could use an assistant if you can't play? Also perhaps there are specially made guitars that are easier to play? I found this but it may not help:
    https://www.galaxyguitar.com/ft1.html
    (Sorry for being too intrusive)


    Thanks for the thought, kakku. It is my right hand that is injured, but it was kind of you to offer suggestions.

    I guess I will be doing a lot of legato playing for a while. I have considered getting one of my advanced students to help out as an "assistant". Perhaps that will be a way out in the short term.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 15:20:49 (permalink)
    Ooooh... that is a nightmare scenario. Sorry to hear it BUT I will leave you with this...
     
    One of the most talented guitar/strings players I know (seriously anything with strings on it he can rip out on... and I don't mean metal crap, he's a traditional teacher) had hist entire left wrist and part of his hand totally shattered and filled with pins in his twenties. They said he would never play again.
     
    Boy were they wrong.
     
    And as far as the osteoperosis... that is going to be an issue as the bones knit for sure but you just gotta crank up the calcium and vitd intake (magnesium and potassium probably as well). I'm sure this has been mentioned already by the docs but if not look into it.
     
    Of course you should be being cared for by speciliasts who deal with musician's injuries and rehab as well. Since it is your career at stake and IIRC you are in England you should be able to get it covered by insurance... and if not spend the extra dough or hunt around for a sympathetic rehab place to take your case.
     
    Best of luck to you. I truly do feel for ya. That... freaking... BLOWS!
     
    It is good chance to dig down into the theoretical. There is always more we can learn mentally even when our hands/bodies are fuxxored.
     
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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/02 17:00:49 (permalink)
    I really wish you all the best in your recovery. It's tough when things go south, been there man. On the plus side it's winter, the perfect season to be laid up. They can do some amazing things with newer tech and rehab options.
     
    Keep us up to date. As Bit said, we're all rooting for you.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/03 20:39:38 (permalink)
    Thanks, Beeps.  I already receive a lot of treatment for the osteoporosis.  I have had yearly bisphosphonate infusions, but am currently enjoying a "drug holiday" - I love that term, it sounds so much more fun than the reality. I am also constantly on Calcium and Vitamin D supplements.
     
    I can't seem to face music at all at the moment. My studio has never been so neglected.  I had many plans for when I was forced into not playing, but can't seem to face being in here at the moment.
     
    I have planned to start back at work on Wednesday, so need to start preparing lessons, but seem to keep putting it off.
     
    Thanks again or your kind words and support.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/03 20:44:59 (permalink)
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    I really wish you all the best in your recovery. It's tough when things go south, been there man. On the plus side it's winter, the perfect season to be laid up. They can do some amazing things with newer tech and rehab options.
     
    Keep us up to date. As Bit said, we're all rooting for you.




     
    Thanks, John.
     
    I have been kept busy over the festive season with my family - a 7 year old and a 18 month old, which has been lovely, but frustrating - not being able to build the toys Santa brought, or play with them as much etc.
     
    I am pinning my hopes on some good news on Tuesday, but think I am fooling myself.
     
    Thanks so much for your king wishes, and Happy New Year to you all.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/03 20:56:12 (permalink)
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    One of the most talented guitar/strings players I know (seriously anything with strings on it he can rip out on... and I don't mean metal crap, he's a traditional teacher) had hist entire left wrist and part of his hand totally shattered and filled with pins in his twenties. They said he would never play again.

    Boy were they wrong.



    I worked with a guitar player a while back who became a good friend. He has played with 801, Andy MacKay, Brian Eno, supported King Crimson and far too many to mention.
     
    He damaged his right arm at one point - think i was out of action for a year+.
     
    He now has one of the most remarkable Left Hand legato/Hammer-On/Pull-Off techniques that I have ever seen. Utterly astounding.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/04 01:35:17 (permalink)
    I echo all here that want to see you back here in great health. You've been through some tough times but we are all pulling for you. Do what your Doctor says and don't be impatient. Even when you feel better don't push yourself. Time is what is needed, take it.   

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/04 05:19:55 (permalink)
    Following my m/c accident a year and a half ago, my right thumb was fractured and dislocated (bottom joint, where it joins the hand).  It was pinned into a more fixed 'pinch' position (thumb-index finger pinch).  It was still not in the right position so they operated on it again and this time double-pinned.  It was still not in the right position (bodies are harder to fix than cars), and I've lost most of the movement in that joint.  However, due to the position it was fixed in, I can still hold a plectrum perfectly well, perhaps even better than before.  This would have been a problem if, for example, I played slap bass, but for finger picking or plectrum picking it's perfectly fine.  Hitch-hiking is off the table though (unless I use my left hand).  Which joint is causing you problems?
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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/04 07:00:36 (permalink)
    @John - Thanks, John.
     
    @ston
     
    They have fused the metacarpal phalangeal joint of my right thumb, so it sounds like the same one.  They were setting it into a fixed 'pinch' position so that I could still hold a pick and fingerpick (I trained as a classical guitarist originally).
     
    It will mean I lose some of the reach of my right hand on the piano, which is a pain, but luckily I have quite big hands so should still manage octaves, hopefully. Gone are the days of playing tenths..
     
    Slap bass had not occurred to me.  I do teach bass, so that may be an issue.  I am reminded of the line in Mike Senior's book (I think) - the best mixing strategy for slap bass is the mute button.. 

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/04 07:14:26 (permalink)
    I hope all is going well at this point ... best wishes for full recovery.

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    Re: Tomorrow's the day 2016/01/04 09:07:46 (permalink)
    tbh, I couldn't play slap bass before, so not a huge loss for me ;-)
     
    I guess if you can slap using the wrist only (rather than relying on free movement of the thumb), then things should be OK.
     
    Best wishes for your recovery!  I may need to have mine fused at a later time, similar to you, depends on how vigorous the onset of early arthritis is in that joint.
     
    p.s. on the subject of guitarists coming back from injury, check out Julian Bream's recovery from his car accident.  Quite remarkable.
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