kevinwal
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Too Much: Updated Mix
Hi guys, been a while because work and family life have had to take a front seat to forum participation, but I'm back on track with a new tune (and I'm looking forward to hearing other's tunes, my favorite part of this!) Anyway, your suggestions on the mix would be wonderful to hear: Edit: updated to tame cymbals, flange the crap out of background vocals, boost drums and tame peaks on lead vocals https://www.reverbnation.com/kevola/song/26670489-too-much
post edited by kevinwal - 2016/09/21 08:28:36
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This is great . the song is like a AAA early Steve miller song. Bluesy, before he went mainstream. Only nit is occasional timing issues, but the production is creative esp viz the treatment of your vocals.
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Thanks for the listen, eph! How's the mix sound, balance-wise? Drums vs bass, etc?
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What a great, fun track, and really original! I wanted to hear more drums, especially kick, but I was listening on headphones, so take that with a grain of salt. The performance is full of life, and if the mix was terrible (it isn't!) I'd still love it.
PS: I'm sending you a PM on another subject.
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Hey Kevin,
Really cool song, with a real Tom Petty meets Steve Miller (Eph mentions). Mix is really good, there are a couple of spots where a BGV is louder than everything else (on the right), and the kick could stand more beef, but other than that it is a very good mix. Everything is wide and open.
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Dan
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This tune was instantly likable for me. Kind of had a live feeling to it. Mix-wise I'd suggest bringing the lead vocal up.
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I agree with the others GREAT!
But I hear some late 60s as well... :)
Vocals seemed to be down in the mix in the beginning but came up later.
I think the backing vocals need to be laid back in the mix more.
COOL!
Peace to all…
Dave
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Larry Jones
What a great, fun track, and really original! I wanted to hear more drums, especially kick, but I was listening on headphones, so take that with a grain of salt. The performance is full of life, and if the mix was terrible (it isn't!) I'd still love it.
PS: I'm sending you a PM on another subject.
Thanks, Larry. I've updated the mix, let me know if that's helped any. And yeah, I dig what you guys did with the photo!
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Hey Kevin,
Really cool song, with a real Tom Petty meets Steve Miller (Eph mentions). Mix is really good, there are a couple of spots where a BGV is louder than everything else (on the right), and the kick could stand more beef, but other than that it is a very good mix. Everything is wide and open.
Regards,
Dan
Hey, Dan, thanks for chiming in! I've touched up the bgv and added some meat to the kick, now I'm worried that it's, well, too much. Heh.
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This tune was instantly likable for me. Kind of had a live feeling to it. Mix-wise I'd suggest bringing the lead vocal up.
Thanks, philz, I appreciate your ears. I've pushed up the lead vocals a bit but my voice always makes me cringe so your feedback is most welcome.
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Passive Drift
I agree with the others GREAT!
But I hear some late 60s as well... :)
Vocals seemed to be down in the mix in the beginning but came up later.
I think the backing vocals need to be laid back in the mix more.
COOL!
Peace to all…
Dave
Thanks for listening to it, Dave. I've tried to tame the bgv's a bit, can you give it a listen and see if they don't sit better?
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eph221
This is great . the song is like a AAA early Steve miller song. Bluesy, before he went mainstream. Only nit is occasional timing issues, but the production is creative esp viz the treatment of your vocals.
I've tightened things up in a few spots, give it another listen and see if the more egregious timing issues are resolved. I don't want to get too anal about things like that because this track kind of wants to be a little sloppy.
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Great stuff Kevin. Love the song and style.
Some of the cymbal hits were too hot and the kick was a bit buried in my opinion.
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kevinwal
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Thanks, daryl, your comments are always welcome!
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kevinwal
Passive Drift
I agree with the others GREAT!
But I hear some late 60s as well... :)
Vocals seemed to be down in the mix in the beginning but came up later.
I think the backing vocals need to be laid back in the mix more.
COOL!
Peace to all…
Dave
Thanks for listening to it, Dave. I've tried to tame the bgv's a bit, can you give it a listen and see if they don't sit better?
Man, I'm starting to love this song! I'm going to give you as much as I can hear… (just Me) :) Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent. Hurricane and spider do not go together… The intro is great for live but I would cut it about in half for a released recording. Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent. Hurricane and spider do not go together… You could replace the catastrophe’s and all others sopiders ;) With is “baby” doing... over eater… to much loving… to much makeup… lol It feels like Vocals start to get a bit hot at 50 sec. First word “Please” is not coming though right. I would put a really light under dub on backup Vox or if you have Reel ADT from Wave, that would do the same thing. I hope I’m making scene? I’m only trying to help. This is a really cool song!!! Just needs tweaking. IMO... Peace!
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Passive Drift
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Passive Drift
I agree with the others GREAT!
But I hear some late 60s as well... :)
Vocals seemed to be down in the mix in the beginning but came up later.
I think the backing vocals need to be laid back in the mix more.
COOL!
Peace to all…
Dave
Thanks for listening to it, Dave. I've tried to tame the bgv's a bit, can you give it a listen and see if they don't sit better?
Man, I'm starting to love this song! I'm going to give you as much as I can hear…
(just Me) :) Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent.
Hurricane and spider do not go together…
The intro is great for live but I would cut it about in half for a released recording.
Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent.
Hurricane and spider do not go together…
You could replace the catastrophe’s and all others sopiders ;)
With is “baby” doing... over eater… to much loving… to much makeup… lol
It feels like Vocals start to get a bit hot at 50 sec.
First word “Please” is not coming though right.
I would put a really light under dub on backup Vox or if you have Reel ADT from Wave, that would do the same thing.
I hope I’m making scene? I’m only trying to help. This is a really cool song!!!
Just needs tweaking. IMO...
Peace!
Your enthusiasm is really gratifying, thanks so much Dave. Your comments about the mix are welcome and well said, and I'll give your suggestions a try. As far as the intro goes, I hear what you're saying and I've been told in the past that my tunes tend to dither around in the intro too long, so you're not alone there. Just so you know, I did try to shorten things but the music was pretty insistent about how it's put together now, and I just got tired of arguing with it. Too much is defined (within the context of this song) as, anything that induces stress to the extent that one's ability to cope with just every damned thing going on becomes overloaded. Hurricanes, Brown Recluse Spiders, an overdose (of any kind, really), too much curry, Three Mile Island, the DMV, all of these things are, to our protagonist, examples of things that are just too much. :)
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Passive Drift
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Passive Drift
I agree with the others GREAT!
But I hear some late 60s as well... :)
Vocals seemed to be down in the mix in the beginning but came up later.
I think the backing vocals need to be laid back in the mix more.
COOL!
Peace to all…
Dave
Thanks for listening to it, Dave. I've tried to tame the bgv's a bit, can you give it a listen and see if they don't sit better?
Man, I'm starting to love this song! I'm going to give you as much as I can hear…
(just Me) :) Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent.
Hurricane and spider do not go together…
The intro is great for live but I would cut it about in half for a released recording.
Too much is not really defined that well. What is too much? It's not consistent.
Hurricane and spider do not go together…
You could replace the catastrophe’s and all others sopiders ;)
With is “baby” doing... over eater… to much loving… to much makeup… lol
It feels like Vocals start to get a bit hot at 50 sec.
First word “Please” is not coming though right.
I would put a really light under dub on backup Vox or if you have Reel ADT from Wave, that would do the same thing.
I hope I’m making scene? I’m only trying to help. This is a really cool song!!!
Just needs tweaking. IMO...
Peace!
Your enthusiasm is really gratifying, thanks so much Dave.
Your comments about the mix are welcome and well said, and I'll give your suggestions a try. As far as the intro goes, I hear what you're saying and I've been told in the past that my tunes tend to dither around in the intro too long, so you're not alone there. Just so you know, I did try to shorten things but the music was pretty insistent about how it's put together now, and I just got tired of arguing with it.
Too much is defined (within the context of this song) as, anything that induces stress to the extent that one's ability to cope with just every damned thing going on becomes overloaded. Hurricanes, Brown Recluse Spiders, an overdose (of any kind, really), too much curry, Three Mile Island, the DMV, all of these things are, to our protagonist, examples of things that are just too much. :)
It's all cool with me as well... great song!
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Kevin - This new mix is an improvement. I was having trouble before making out all the words and now I'm not, so that's a good thing, and more drums is always a good thing to me. But now it kind of seems as if the lead vocal is a bit too prominent in places. I wonder if you could do something either with some kind of exciter on the voice to punch it through or maybe a limiter on the master bus to even things out a bit. Whatever you decide, you've got a good song and an excellent performance here, so I think you'd have to try pretty hard to screw things up. kevinwal
...this track kind of wants to be a little sloppy.
Damn right!
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I'm late to the party, I heard the second mix I guess. Sounds like you fixed the kick, I think it's great. Love the jangly looseness, it really works.
The only thing in the mix that sticks out for me is the bgv's - - - have you tried slathering them with an obscene amount of flanger? It would chill them out, with the additional virtue of supporting the 60's - 70's vibe you have going. Going strong.
Love the rock and roll attitude here.
-Tom
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It's all cool with me as well... great song!
Thanks for your attention and kind words!
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Kevin - This new mix is an improvement. I was having trouble before making out all the words and now I'm not, so that's a good thing, and more drums is always a good thing to me. But now it kind of seems as if the lead vocal is a bit too prominent in places. I wonder if you could do something either with some kind of exciter on the voice to punch it through or maybe a limiter on the master bus to even things out a bit. Whatever you decide, you've got a good song and an excellent performance here, so I think you'd have to try pretty hard to screw things up.
kevinwal
...this track kind of wants to be a little sloppy.
Damn right!
I'll have to give that a try. I already have some limiting going on obviously but I can try a more targeted approach. I appreciate your help!
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I'm late to the party, I heard the second mix I guess. Sounds like you fixed the kick, I think it's great. Love the jangly looseness, it really works.
The only thing in the mix that sticks out for me is the bgv's - - - have you tried slathering them with an obscene amount of flanger? It would chill them out, with the additional virtue of supporting the 60's - 70's vibe you have going. Going strong.
Love the rock and roll attitude here.
-Tom
Thanks, Tom! Flanging the bgv is a new one on me. I've heard of dumping a butload of reverb and I tried that but while it softened things it really muddied things up. I'm going to have to give that a whirl. I appreciate your help!
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Season the flanger to taste - it can be psychedelic of course. If I were you, I'd put on what the title says. :)
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Love the song and performances! You've already heard the mix comments so I'll leave it alone.
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Love the song and performances! You've already heard the mix comments so I'll leave it alone.
Thanks for listening, I appreciate your feedback!
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Season the flanger to taste - it can be psychedelic of course. If I were you, I'd put on what the title says. :)
Given the number of comments calling out the background vocals as an issue, I will commence to slathering as soon as I can. Or I may just redo them completely.
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Great rock track.. Good vocs and well arranged/mixed backing vocs. Sounds good on my speakers
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Thanks I appreciate you listening and commenting!
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Impressive... A great sounding original song Kevin.
Is this all you or do you have band project?
Either way, this sounds really good to my ears... I'm late to the party so I am obviously listening to the latest version of the song.
cheers
andy
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2016/09/22 20:31:46
synkrotron
Impressive... A great sounding original song Kevin.
Is this all you or do you have band project?
Either way, this sounds really good to my ears... I'm late to the party so I am obviously listening to the latest version of the song.
cheers
andy
Andy, thanks so much for your feedback. It's all me except for the drums, which is the Addictive Drums plug in that comes with Sonar. I was in a cover band for the last several years playing bass, but I just left it in August. All those guys are too busy with their own stuff to mess with mine. :) It's just a few guitars, a bass and maybe four vocal tracks, two of which are the main vocal part doubled up. One of the guitars, however, is magic. My Epiphone Sheraton II with P90 pickups has an incredible tone. It's really kind of cheating to use that wonderful instrument, but I swallow my pride and sneak it in to everything I do. That guitar is the jangle-box sound (which I just adore) and the lead/solo parts. To round it out, the bass is a Fender American Precision bass and the other guitar is an American Stratocaster. The strat is the main rhythm heard at the very beginning and also the theme melody that joins in. Amps are all Guitar Rig 5 simulations, including the bass amp. Edit: I thought I'd go ahead and finish out the details of this recording, just because. :) There's two lead vocal tracks, one doubling the other. You can hear a little slop in the second verse with that. There's two harmony tracks, one slightly panned right, one slightly left. The opening riff is a single track, a strack (using the GR Almost Clean preset) The theme melody is also a single track using the HiWhite sim The jangly guitar (the Epi) is three performances, two panned right and left (pretty far but not to the stops) and on slightly off center. One of the tracks uses the AtmoGit preset as a starting point, the other two use the Almost Clean preset. The lead is the Epi with the MassiveWallOfRock preset. There is a single bass track using the DI bass amp preset with some tweaks. The Addictive Drums kit is the Studio Pop - Natural Timbre kit with the kick replaced with the Tamas Starclassic. That kick just has more definition to my ear. I've tweaked all of these presets and removed the reverb from them all, using a send to the reverb bus (same one the vocals go to) mixed to taste. The reverb bus uses the ReMatrix pro channel effect, set to all wet and using the GoTo Verb! preset. On the mastering side I used the LPEQ plug and Izotope Ozone 7, all with custom fiddling. And that's pretty much it. It's a pretty sparse project, actually. Again, thanks for your ears and your kind words.
post edited by kevinwal - 2016/09/23 13:19:01
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