Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft!

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2017/11/27 18:53:43 (permalink)

Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft!

Really convoluted, NOT intuitive and just downright awful to be honest...audio side seems fine though. I am going to try my licenced version of FL Studio now - have not used it for years, but maybe it's a bit of a "sleeper"
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    martins guit
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:02:34 (permalink)
    i really love doing midi in Sonar.. so simple

     
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:03:02 (permalink)
    If MIDI is important to you, you may take a look at Steinberg CUBASE.
    The small version (Elements) for 99.- Euro has pretty much functions. Very similar to SONAR.

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:26:22 (permalink)
    Thanks - I'll have a look, but I feel the Elements will not be enough, and the Cubase is way WAY over my budget.
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:42:25 (permalink)
    I feel the same way Joden.
    Midi has been awesome for me in Sonar. Im not looking forward to learning new midi editing techniques.
     
     
     

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:47:48 (permalink)
    THambrecht
    If MIDI is important to you, you may take a look at Steinberg CUBASE.
    The small version (Elements) for 99.- Euro has pretty much functions. Very similar to SONAR.




    Agreed.  I've used a ton of DAW's and for Windows platform Cubase is the only one in the same realm as Sonar, as both program's heritage comes from being software sequencers.  That maturity in it's product is clear.  Midi in everything else (including Pro Tools) is just a slapped on bandage that problems frequently appear.

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/27 19:52:57 (permalink)
    I agree. I am all about midi........I used Mastertracks Pro before Sonar. Mastertracks Pro actually was very good for midi...But no comparison to Sonar. 
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/28 05:40:03 (permalink)
    I decide to stick with Sonar in the end, but I noticed in Reaper you can actually type in your own Midi Clock PPQN. The default is 960 per quarter note, but in the settings you can type any value you want. 

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/28 15:02:40 (permalink)
    Midi is where I will fell the most pain.
     
    I am going to try some midi in reaper over the next little while, but ultimately as a one man band, I need midi.
     
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/11/28 22:25:38 (permalink)
    Not sure about Mixcraft, but with Reaper... All set of existing modern VST MIDI processors should work and there is endless possibilities to create own when required.
    I mean Sonar had CAL and MFX. Both so to say far from perfect at the framework level (may be that was ok 20 years ago) and long time not advanced.
    For MIDI routing, I do not think there is something in Sonar which work better then in Reaper. Not forget about nasty clashing with Surfaces and Remote Control functionality in Sonar.
    I can not say much about the editor yet. I have not found some "super features" recently added into Sonar and I have not managed to change note colors, but basic editing works and staff view (rather convenient to switch into) looks reasonable.
     
    What exactly is "underwhelming"?
     
    PS. In Reaper, almost everything is not intuitive at first. But even in default layout, once you learn where/what/how, it is possible to understand what is there, why it is there and how to operate it. It is logical. May be not with the logic particular person except, but logical. And finally, there is quite some flexibility in modifying things (instead of the claims "we have (re)defined it the way we think is better and you should adopt to that...").

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/05 23:07:02 (permalink)
    I had Reaper for a two or three years and kept going back to it, convinced it MUST be good.  But I gave up in the end as it was just too clunky and convoluted. It seemed to me that almost every function was subject to user parameters and choices, as if the way they responded to multiple user requests was to make everything variable. I just couldn't cope with hacking through the forest of these.  Ah well, it just goes to show how personal preferences play a big role in choosing a DAW!
     
    I'm currently trialling Cubase but that has 'baubles on the old Christmas tree' aspects as well. It's too expensive also. Studio One is ok and I have used it on and off for some years now.  I'm going to try the Mixcraft demo tomorrow.
     
    The sad thing is that nothing compares to Sonar's sheer elegance.
     

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/06 16:22:04 (permalink)
    Skyline_UK
    The sad thing is that nothing compares to Sonar's sheer elegance.
     

    Sigh, I wish Merging would take Sonar's MIDI editing side and add it to Pyramix. I really like Sonar's MIDI. 
     
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/06 18:59:56 (permalink)
    Have you checked out the price of Pyramix?

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/06 19:08:57 (permalink)
    Cubase excels with the most robust midi features of any of the daws I've used. It's not Sonar, doesn't work the same but since you already know midi  basics it shouldn't be that difficult to learn.
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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/06 19:12:09 (permalink)
    Is Cubase the only other deep midi daw out there? 
     
    Were Sonar and Cubase the only two?

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    Re: Totally "underwhelmed" by MIDI in both Reaper and Mixcraft! 2017/12/07 04:46:12 (permalink)
    Starise
    Is Cubase the only other deep midi daw out there? 
     
    Were Sonar and Cubase the only two?




    I would add Logic, but that is now Mac only.  It also started out as a MIDI sequencer, so it has heritage as well...

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