Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions

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2013/07/02 08:23:56 (permalink)

Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions

Hi, guys,
     I am considering investing in a touch screen for my studio use. I don't need a 42 or 52 inch screen. I am looking at 23 or 32 inchers. My question would be is a 23 inch screen large enough to comfortably work with Sonar X2a? I know 32 is always better but my area is getting really crowded. Also, I have been reading that touch screen on Windows 7 is not very useable. It is just passable to work with.
     I would appreciate any info or help you guys could throw my way. For my setup see the signature below. Thanks!

Sonar Platinum, Sonar X3e, Sonar X2a , Sonar X1 Expanded and 8.5.3 (32 and 64 bit), Windows 10 on a Toshiba P75-A7200 Laptop with i7 @ 2.4 quad and 8 gigs of RAM and secondary WD 1 Tb drive, Windows 10 desktop, Asus i5 @ 3.2 quad, 12 gigs RAM, 1 Tb drive, 1 500 gig drive, MOTU 24io, 2 Roland Studio Captures, Saffire 6 USB for laptop, Soundtracs Topaz Project 8 mixer, Alesis Monitor 2s, Event BAS 20/20s, Roland Micro-Monitor BA-8s, and 45 years worth of collecting FX, Mics, Amps, Guitars, and Keyboards!
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    scook
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/02 10:30:01 (permalink)
    SONAR's multi-touch stuff requires Windows 8 so you won't benefit from it on Windows 7.
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/02 10:56:42 (permalink)
    Yep, multi-touch requires Win8.
    Right now, Sonar X2 is the only DAW that supports multi-touch.
    Multi-touch is great... but don't think of it as a replacement for mouse/keyboard.
    Think of it as a nice addition/enhancement.  Great for zooming/navigation, transport, etc...
     
    The 27" Planar and Acer units are pretty nice...

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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/02 12:22:13 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys! I am thinking about upgrading to Windows 8. Sorry I forgot to include that. Kinda scared of 8 right now. I heard there was just a new patch for 8. I'm wondering how that is working out.

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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/05 12:52:44 (permalink)
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/15 14:22:02 (permalink)
    Sidroe
    Thanks, guys! I am thinking about upgrading to Windows 8. Sorry I forgot to include that. Kinda scared of 8 right now. I heard there was just a new patch for 8. I'm wondering how that is working out.


    Don't have win 8 on my DAW, but I haven't seen anyone say it doesn't play nicely with Sonar. As an OS for a my regular pc it works just fine and is better in many ways IMHO. As far as I have seen, the patch is really to quieten those who can't live without their START button present in the corner all the time and some other little tweaks giving greater ability to personalise the UI rather than because it doesn't work in some way.
    post edited by paulo - 2013/07/15 14:30:46
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/16 08:37:40 (permalink)
    Goddard
    Umm, actually, Windows 7 supported multi-touch, but Sonar did not do so until X2a.
     
    http://windows.microsoft....roducts/features/touch
     
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ee336016.aspx
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/touch.aspx
     





    Have you actually tried using multi-touch under Win7?
    I have...
    It doesn't work.   
    ie: Try to grab/move four faders in the console view.
     

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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/16 08:44:09 (permalink)
    Multi touch may require windows eight, but single touch does not. The screens for single touch are much cheaper. For two to three hundred you can get a good twenty three inch screen. I don't usually use a bunch of fingers at once, FYI. There is a learning curve for using touch.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/17 01:47:10 (permalink)
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    Umm, actually, Windows 7 supported multi-touch, but Sonar did not do so until X2a.
     
    http://windows.microsoft....roducts/features/touch
     
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ee336016.aspx
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/touch.aspx
     





    Have you actually tried using multi-touch under Win7?
    I have...
    It doesn't work.   
    ie: Try to grab/move four faders in the console view.
     

     
    No, it doesn't work in Sonar because, as is listed under "What you need" on the CW page I'd linked to earlier, multi-touch as enabled in X2a for some reason requires Win 8 also. But Win 7 did support multi-touch, as Noel acknowledged here:
     
    http://blog.cakewalk.com/...s-8-and-touch-support/
     
    Btw, have you tried multi-touch in Sonar X2 (not X2a) as originally released, which was supposed to support multi-touch?:
     
    http://software.intel.com/sites/billboard/article/cakewalk-intel-and-windows-8-bring-high-performance-touch-enabled-mobile-workflows-musicians
     
    Dunno exactly why Sonar hasn't supported multi-touch until Win 8 and X2a. From what Noel said in the blog linked above it may have to do with the UI shift in Win 8. One new feature in Win 8 over Win 7's multi-touch is indirect (trackpad) multi-touch, which X2a does support (if using a trackpad supporting such):
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/D...eq=NewFeatures.03.html
     
    Anyway, fwiw multi-touch does work under Win 7 in the UI and in applications which actually support it, for example IE or these:
     
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=17368
     
    post edited by Goddard - 2013/07/17 01:57:36
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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/17 11:10:37 (permalink)
    Sonar X2a and Usine are the only two DAW apps that (currently) support multi-touch.
    The later (IMO) is not really a main-stream/common DAW app...
    At this point in time, you don't really have a choice.  If you want to grab/manipulate several faders/etc within X2a, you have to be running Win8.
    I don't think it makes much logical sense to run an un-patched version of X2... so you can use a dated implementation of multi-touch under Win7. 
    Multi-touch support was enhanced/refined in Win8...
     
    BTW, Multi-touch under Win7x64 doesn't work with any other major DAW application.
    Never tried with the stock install of X2...

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    Re: Touch Screen for Sonar X2a on Windows 7 questions 2013/07/18 04:06:54 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry
    Sonar X2a and Usine are the only two DAW apps that (currently) support multi-touch.
    The later (IMO) is not really a main-stream/common DAW app...
    At this point in time, you don't really have a choice.  If you want to grab/manipulate several faders/etc within X2a, you have to be running Win8.
    I don't think it makes much logical sense to run an un-patched version of X2... so you can use a dated implementation of multi-touch under Win7. 
    Multi-touch support was enhanced/refined in Win8...
     
    BTW, Multi-touch under Win7x64 doesn't work with any other major DAW application.
    Never tried with the stock install of X2...




    Wasn't genuinely suggesting to run unpatched X2 now, only pointing out that, according to the Intel marketing blurb I linked-to above, it was supposed to support multi-touch originally.
     
    That Sonar requires X2a and Win 8 for its multi-touch implementation does not alter the fact that Win 7 did actually support multi-touch, which is all I was pointing out earlier after you'd stated "Yep, multi-touch requires Win8".
     
    Btw, as you probably know, multi-touch control for Sonar or other DAWs (and also some audio interfaces and mixers) does not even require multi-touch support in Win 8 (or Win 7), only a WiFi-enabled network connection and an i-device and control app, e.g.
     
    http://www.neyrinck.com/v-control-pro-sonar#menuTopjump
     

    post edited by Goddard - 2013/07/18 04:33:04
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