leegee
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Touch screen compatibility?
I've not used Sonar since its initial release, but have finally given up on Logic and bought a PC and Sonar Professional, and a cheap touch screen.
Generally very pleased, but confused that some 'click' functions do not seem to work iwth the touch screen — like click-tos-plit a track (with the Split tool enabled).
Is there a list of known issues?
Is there a timetable to fix these issues (if they are not operator errors!)?
TIA
Lee
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John
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/06 20:14:12
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It could be by design. Touch is good but its not as accurate as a mouse.
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AT
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/07 08:36:55
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Touch is great, but as John sez, it isn't a one-tool-does all. Just as you don't type with your mouse, most touch screens aren't big enough for delicate, mouse-style work, nor is it as easy as a keyboard for typing. Basically, you need to integrate into your style of work for those things you find it useful for.
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/07 10:53:24
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First of all, welcome to SONAR! +1 to John and AT. What I find best about touch is that it allows for two-handed functionality. I'm left-handed, so my left hand is on the mouse, and my right hand does the "bigger" touch maneuvers. That said, there are aspects of SONAR that I hope become touch-enabled but compared to other Windows programs, it does seem SONAR pays more attention to integration that some others. My biggest wish would be the capability to to move clips around by dragging their handles.
post edited by Anderton - 2016/08/07 11:14:57
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/07 21:20:19
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I bought a touchscreen two years ago and it's mostly been eye-candy for clients. I rarely use it. Unless you can afford a high resolution model, there just isn't enough real-estate on a 23 inch. Further, there are a lot of functions NOT supported by touch.
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/08 09:58:15
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Hi Lee, The lack of right click when using touch is a deliberate decision by the designers. Its not a bug, even though it seems like one. Theres no keyboard bindings for right click functions either. So those features cant be added to the control bar custom panel. There seems to have been a decision made somewhere that editing in sonar can only take place using a mouse. The result of that is that Sonars implementation of touch is crippled so it cannot be used for anything very useful. Seems such a nonsensical approach, because programs that have made no specific effort to implement touch features, end up being more capable when using windows default touch implementation. However there is a work around. Try TouchMousePointer here http://www.lovesummertrue.com/touchmousepointer/en-us/ Im still using an older version and it works fine. Its a free onscreen emulation of a mouse. You can set to open the right click menu by holding your finger down for a while. Its possible to select and drag as well, once you get the hang of it. Its possilbe to do most things using this, but it takes extra time. Cheers Fz1
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/08 10:14:12
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On touch screens under Windows 10 right click is touch hold release. Left click is touch release.
Using a touch pad two fingers touch is right click.
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/08 11:25:28
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John
On touch screens under Windows 10 right click is touch hold release.
Except in Sonar..... Keep meaning to try touchmousepointer. (Thanks again for the reminder FZ1).
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/08 12:02:43
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I just tested this Brando and you are right about Sonar.
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/08 22:45:43
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The other thing that helps a lot with touch is to use windows built in magnifier app. Zooming in to a small plugins interface so it now covers the entire screen is extremely useful. The controls become much more adjustable, allowing real time ultra fine settings. Setting fiddly envelopes in a synth is joyous when you have that tiny little window 14 inches wide by 6 inches tall. I use a large 18 inch tablet (Dell XPS18) without a keyboard and mouse. I position the tablet over the comtroller/synth, tilted flat. Getting rid of the mouse and keyboard has completely changed the "feel" of using Sonar - in a good way. Its gone from a Computer DAW to a "instrument" in its own right. Features like the onscreen keyboard and the multi-touch eqs are great. Brilliantly implemented. I think there are software designers at Cakewalk who really understand where Cakewalk could go with this, but I suspect there are also designers at Cakewalk who have no conception of what touch is for. The result is Sonar's touch implementation is exactly 50% Genius/50% Stoopid. Seeing as Dell and other manufacturers seem to be phasing out large format tablets, maybe the way i use Sonar will always be a freak oddity. Unless of course Apple releases a mega ipad and then everyone will love it.
post edited by FZ1 - 2016/08/09 19:04:32
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leegee
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Re: Touch screen compatibility?
2016/08/12 04:26:55
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Thanks, all — I now understand that touch is so-far limited in Sonar.
What does exist is beautiful and makes life much easier — but the lack of touch for manipulating clips does seem odd. It would be a nice option to have.
Sonar's lack of customisation/user-shortcuts is also strange — at least for non-real-time controls (slice, nudge, etc), it should be very easy to add keyboard and even touchscreen and MIDI event binding: is it a philosophical decision by the software designers? Or a work in progress? I'll have to find out.
Fz1, thanks for the tip, will checkout the software now. If the large-tabet lets you down, Acer do a largish high-res touch monitor for around 250 euros/dollars. Angles almost flat on the desk, making console view an excellent mixing interface.
It's good to be back with Cakewalk after 15 years away (though I am missing Logic a little bit....)
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