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AT
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 01:06:50
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Any touchscreen needs to lay flat, I would think. Esp. one that big. The only one that lays horizontal I've seen is the new dell 22 incher.
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fwrend
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 10:23:05
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I agree with AT - my question is does the current state of Win8 allow for both touch and keyboard/mouse simultaneously? E.g. Flat screen (touch) lying flat on desk with console view and traditional monitor (key/mouse) with track view in normal position.
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 11:22:30
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win7 already worked with touch and mouse very decently ... i used that for a while but soon realized that even a cheap behringer controller feels nicer to mix with than index finger movements over tiny knobs and faders. try doing this for a couple of hours and let us know how mixing felt ... i don't want to spoil all that touch enthusiasm. been there myself, but not for long ... for 7$K you get the nicest digital mixer with monitor/routing/processing options you probably don't dare to think of, for half the price you get superb control surfaces with lots of I/O ... how much of that comes with a touch screen ???
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 12:13:50
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Touch screens have been discussed repeatedly here. This far the concensus seems to be (??) they have many, many especially ergonomic but also workflow problems, because the software should be totally redesigned for touch screens. I'm a sceptic myself. I can't imagine working for hours with a touch screen. If it's up lifted, you need to keep your arms raised all the time, if it lays flat, you also need keep your hands from accidentally touching the screen, and it takes so much room on the table that using the computer keyboard, mouse or other equipment, gets difficult. I don't know how wide viewing angle those screens have, but that might be one problem as well when the screen is laying flat.
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 12:27:53
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65" That would be a work out for the entire body to manipulate Sonar on. Kinda like being in an exercise class
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fwrend
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 17:18:39
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No "touch screen" enthusiasm here, just curious how much flexibility they're going to take away. I don't think it's going to be a short-lived fad and don't think we're really going to have much say about it. :-( hope I'm wrong. I much prefer tactile and have owned the BCF, FW1884, and currently use the MCU. I'd love to own the Nucleous but can't justify it.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/27 17:45:15
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I'm thinking that even though I'm a bit frustrated with Cakewalk Mackie MCU support, I am going to stay on the trailing edge of technology when it comes to the touchscreen monitors. I can understand why CW would not want to put much effort to support a bunch of hardware devices when the trend would be touch screen devices. I'll wait to see what niggles pop up from the user base.
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ohgrant
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2012/12/31 19:37:19
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No interest in touch screen here. I have doubts that that the general population or the power user is going to be so easy to win over. Sure seems that MS has put a lot of effort into force feeding us this newerish bit of tech. I'll let the early pioneers help the technology develop and wait it out and see if it's going to be around for a few years.
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2013/01/01 04:50:59
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I can see two problems with touchscreen. Firstly, and I think it's already been touched upon (excuse the pun), is the ergonomics of it. Sat here at my desktop, I am a comfortable 3 - 5 feet away from my monitor. To reach out and actually touch the screen is completely uncomfortable and quite impractical. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Luddite, and I will admit there may be workflow enhancements to be garnered from touchscreen technology, but for me that wouldn't encompass a vertical fixed screen. Rather, a portable, horizontal lap device. Secondly, is the design and construction of touchscreen monitors more robust and resilient than current non-touch models? What I'm getting at, is whether continual tactile use will eventually degrade the surface of the monitor, both as a result of the physical impact and dragging, and of the effect of the oils and secretions laid down from one's fingers. I've taken extremely good care of the current 24" HD and 22" screens I use, for a start because they weren't cheap and also because I want the image quality to remain at an optimum. Taking the example mentioned in the OP, I can't wait to pay seven grand for a monitor and then start prodding it and smearing bodily fluids all over it.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2013/01/01 08:40:32
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The best thing about 1920x1080 pixels on a 65" screen is that you fingers will not seem so pudgy. That's cause the 1920x1080 pixels are big and blocky and unsuitable to be viewed from arms length unless you really enjoy big blocky pixels seen from a fraction of the distance they were intended to be seen from. Mice, Tablets, track balls etc. and 96dpi displays let you do fine detailed work. It amazes me to think that an industry thinks it's going to revive a global sales slump by catering to people who want to use pudgy flesh stumps to do work without regard for fine detail while hunkered up against a oversize blurry display. I barely enjoy using touch on the mp3 player in my phone... why would I torture myself trying to edit music with a technology like that? I think touch is gonna be great if I ever take up playing MS Solitaire again... and that's about it. all the best, mike
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AT
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2013/01/01 10:55:51
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I don't think we've reached the point where touchscreen technology is optimised, either soft or hardware. On the hardware front, touch is simply not good for some operations. vol faders is a good example, where the tactile feedback and resistence is part of the engineering experience. And knobs. It is completely natural to twist a knob. But how do you twist a virtual knob. Most mouse knobs you travel up and down. So the software could replace all the knobs with sliders. Or Cake (or some other enterprising firm) could piece together a touchscreen w/ physical knobs to the side (or less ergonomic at the bottom/top). Touch the screen knob and use the physical knob to adjust the parameter. The same w/ a vol fader. A real motorized fader - touch the channel fader and the phsysical fader gets focus and fade away ... That is step one. But software integration - writing the software for touch, is even more important. There are a lot of jobs that would be easier in touch than mouse. Scrolling - what is quicker, grabbing a small button or arrow off to the side or simply swiping up or down and touching to stop? What is easier to expand the view - pinching or grabbing another small bar and sliding it right or left. I'll be interested in seeing how well X2a and Win 8 makes navigating a project in all directions and changing sizes. And once you focus how well it opens up the focus - like an eq or synth. Touching for toggle and resizing your screen ought to be easy, but how easy editing is is another question. I don't much like paying for apple products and Steve Jobs is dead, but from what I've heard from people he was a real as ... tough making the designers design for dead easy manipulation. So easy even a bass player could understand and adapt to the product. touch screen is coming, but it will be a supplement to the things we already know how to do well. It should help speed up engineering where it can, and leave knobs and vol faders to do the things those do best.
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synkrotron
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2013/01/01 11:24:13
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I'm looking forward to it. Had I kept abreast of what was happening in the computing world I would have held off from purchasing my current laptop music workstation. And I think that is the main difference between me and most of the sceptics here, is that having since gone down the laptop route, my screen is already at my fingertips. Being able to zoom and scroll and all that stuff, by using my fingers on a screen, sounds such a good idea to me now. I have already adapted to working with a small monitor, and X2 really helps with that with it's marvellous screen layouts and the multidock. So being able to use my fingers as the pointing device would actually speed things up for me. Of course, I am not a pro, and so I don't have to sit in front of my laptop all day, and I can understand why some peeps don't see touch screens as a way forward.
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realdeeprecords
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Re:Touchscreen heaven?
2013/01/27 17:04:07
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Just setup Sonar X2a with a 23" Acer touchscreen laying at an angle with a 27" Asus monitor behind that. It takes some getting used to a touch screen mixer but its very simple to use. I was not able to get multi touch for Sonar to work with windows 7 so I had to upgrade to windows 8. Very happy with the setup so far no complaints other then missing real knobs. The setup was fairly inexpensive also.. a lot cheaper then buying a digital mixer. Here is a youtube video of a little demonstration. http://youtu.be/Ww0MEO1fk6g
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