Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 06:50:39 (permalink)
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 09:54:55 (permalink)
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 13:06:01 (permalink)
I just looked at that last night; MC 4 includes the Triangle II.
On the MIDI track? I was clicking on the soft synth audio track. I'll check out your way later. Thanks.

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 15:10:14 (permalink)
it can actually be on either track, depending on what you select when you insert the synth. There is a dropdown list for Show Automation.
I had forgotten about that, and I have mine set to show automation in the audio track. I tried it in the MIDI track, and it shows the same thing.
I'm at work right now, but when I get home, I'll try to figure out if I downloaded it, or if it came with SHS6.

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 17:54:11 (permalink)
I'm making progress on this - slowly! I can now link any TII control to any knob / slider on my keyboard, using MIDI learn (thanks Greg!). I can also record on top of existing tracks, and just twiddling the controls and it records everything too (which is great). So, I can pretty much achieve what I wanted to now which is great.

I'm watching with interest to see if we ever get to the bottom of this mystery about the automated envelope settings though.... it certainly looks like a common problem from the posts here. Both my MC4 and Triangle II were downloads, by the way.
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/01/31 23:43:17 (permalink)
So, I tried most of the synths I have, TTS-1, DreamStation DXi, Triangle II, Roland Groove Synth, and Square I and the only one to give me a list is Square I. Curiouser and curiouser.
I right-clicked the MIDI tracks and the synth tracks of each. 'Show Automation' was checked.
Glad you're (slowly!) getting a handle on it, Peter. Any second now RobertB is going to show up and say "just click the blue button and everything will work!"

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 13:39:36 (permalink)
No blue button, Greg, but here's an alternate approach that may work.
Right click the MIDI track. Instead of the Triangle II envelope, select MIDI.
The Type will probably default to Control. Change that to NRPN.
With luck, the Value field should display the same dropdown menu that I am seeing in the Triangle II envelope menu.




In the second screenshot, I have used a MIDI envelope to create the green envelope in the MIDI track.
I have also enabled Automation Write in the Triangle II GUI and the MIDI track.
Since I have Show Automation in Synth Audio Track selected, the automation appears there.
I have not created any envelopes from the Triangle II menu. What you see is the recorded movements as I turned various knobes in the Triangle II GUI. The track display freezes while I am doing this, but the sound continues to play.
When you hover your cursor over a given envelope, a label appears, showing which control it is associated with.
So there are at least four ways to add automation to the synth, and hopefully, you can get one or more to work.
1. Create envelopes using the Triangle II menu (if you can see it)
2. Create envelopes using the MIDI menu.
3. Record control movement from your controller
4. Record (Write) control movement from the GUI
Let us know if that helps anyone move forward.

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 14:03:31 (permalink)
Greg, I have been using the DXi version, but I found a VST as well on my system. The VST displays a VST box in the header, the DXi does not.
Other than that, they both behave exactly the same way here.
Check your Soft Synth menu and see if you might have both installed. It's possible you may see a difference.

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 15:26:26 (permalink)
I think this is where I got TII. Try downloading it from here. It may be a different source file.
Triangle II- P5 site

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 17:25:54 (permalink)
THAT WAS IT! I downloaded from the P5 link you gave and installed and now the parameters are showing up!!!

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 20:22:48 (permalink)
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/01 22:27:06 (permalink)
That's good news, Beagle!
I think we may have solved the puzzle.

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/02 03:41:41 (permalink)
woohoo! It works for me too! Super, thanks so much!
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/02 08:46:27 (permalink)
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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/02 09:29:21 (permalink)
Yes Albert.... I've found that

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RE: Track envelope automation for Triangle II / Cakewalk TTS parameters 2009/02/02 09:38:00 (permalink)
That quote looks familiar, Tap.

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