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Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings)

Track to Track Routing

 Track-to-Track Routing opens up a new dimension of control within your home studio - allowing you to patch your synths, audio tracks, and buses to any audio track for real-time rendering. Render your virtual instruments in real time, or bounce down complex reverbs and delays.
 
 
- Was surprised to see this wasn't getting more love on the forum today or yesterday. I don't post a lot, but lurk pretty often. Originally being one of the die hard 8.5 users that despised Skylight and the X series, I moved off to try and find greener pastures (unfortunately, timed perfectly with the current Pro Tools mess... ).
 
Of course you always come back to what you are familiar with. X3 was closer to gelling with me but since the Gibson partnership, I had noticed more and more of an actual "presence" on the forum. The more I saw people requesting features/changes, the more activity came out of the Bakers' camp; follow through on development and support (to Reaper-like proportions).
 
I was going back and forth between SPlat and S1v3. When I got the survey that practically highlighted most of the major forum requests, I knew that Cakewalk was moving in the right direction and that Membership was a moral imperative.
 
The above listed in-development feature is more proof that they appear to be listening and that we, the consumers, have a voice in how the product is turning out. Kudos from a happy customer.
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 14:24:47 (permalink)
???  What track-to-track routing are you referring to? With the addition of a plug-in like one found in this forum's "utilities" page?  What happened yesterday regarding this subject?   
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 14:42:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/07/14 18:42:59
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Rolling-Updates#start
 
From the 'Up Next' section of the Rolling Updates page
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 14:55:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bronsoncox 2015/07/14 15:03:51
I don't visit that page very often. A quick scan of your initial post and I thought this was yet another thread requesting  the feature. Glad I came back. Yes, this feature has been the subject of some lengthy discussions.
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 14:58:04 (permalink)
Aaaah.....now I understand. Looks pretty kewell!

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 15:10:49 (permalink)
I haven't been checking that page very much either...that's great news!  Really looking forward to the ability to have a parallel processing track right next to the source track instead of having to route it over to the bus section!
 

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 16:49:38 (permalink)
Well looky dat.
 
Cake sure is doing their darndest to make any complaints look more and more ludicrous and superficial.
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 16:51:01 (permalink)
PS: I actually like the way Sonar handles bussing (much better than the others IMO). Still this will be a nice option to have when needed.
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 16:56:44 (permalink)
I also like Sonar's bussing scheme when it comes to instrument and FX busses, but there are times when I'd like to do parallel processing on the track level, so it'll be really nice to have the best of both worlds. 

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 17:08:33 (permalink)
Looks that user supplied utility will become a think of the past.
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 17:11:25 (permalink)
Wow, that's awesome. This will really open up some serious studio creativity, and so many folk have asked about it over the years. I can't wait to see how they handle it!
 

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 17:22:38 (permalink)
Not to get all Debbie Downer on this but this does seem like something that rips right into the internal guts of the program.
 
So def take your time on this if that is the case and test the frack out of it.
 
But yeah... ultra cool and the upshot, if it is indeed digging into the heart of the code, will be I bet they can find and patch a bunch of other crap along the way and open new avenues for future goodies.
 
They did mention how as they hack and patch they leave big open doors for themselves to add stuff that were previously impossible.
 
So maybe I'm actually being a Patty Positive with a dash of Carla Cautious.
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 17:28:20 (permalink)
Beepster
 
Man... I need a date.




...or just a healthy dose of VCA groups...
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 18:14:13 (permalink)
Very good +1
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 18:34:51 (permalink)
Patty Positive with a dash of Carla Cautious!  Beep... you're a hoot!
 
Really lovin' the moves bein' made by da bakers...
 

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 18:43:03 (permalink)
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http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Rolling-Updates#start
 
From the 'Up Next' section of the Rolling Updates page




cool :-) there were quite a few asking for that ... and Cake did listen once again. 2 thumbs up for the new way of doing things

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 19:04:07 (permalink)
Fantastic. I've been wanting this feature for ages. Curious to see the precise detail of the implementation.

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 19:09:09 (permalink)
I remember Noël talking about how Sonar processes audio streams and he said (if I remember carefully) that internally there are no differences between tracks and busses.

Perhaps it won't be that big a job. Not minimising the effort just saying that it probably won't take a complete Sonar rewrite. I think most of the work will be in the making sure that unwanted side effects don't occur.

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 19:15:14 (permalink)
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. I think most of the work will be in the making sure that unwanted side effects don't occur.



I think there is a plugin for that...

 
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 19:30:41 (permalink)
WTH even I didn't know this was announced! Someone decided to turn up the heat on me lol :) 
The trickiest part of this is not so much the actual routing. As you know we already can route and mix streams from anywhere via sidechains - thats how sidechaining works. The engine has been designed to handle pretty much any arbitrary routing so thats the least of the problem. The hardest part is doing the infrastructure for virtual ports, and recording virtual ports itself which is very complex. If it turns out the way were planning, this will be a really powerful and elegant feature.
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 19:35:12 (permalink)
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WTH even I didn't know this was announced! Someone decided to turn up the heat on me lol :) 
The trickiest part of this is not so much the actual routing. As you know we already can route and mix streams from anywhere via sidechains - thats how sidechaining works. The engine has been designed to handle pretty much any arbitrary routing so thats the least of the problem. The hardest part is doing the infrastructure for virtual ports, and recording virtual ports itself which is very complex. If it turns out the way were planning, this will be a really powerful and elegant feature.
 




That sounds even betterer or better even . . . as long as it's not Beta
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 22:34:49 (permalink)
So next time you want to know what's going on Noel, just ask, we'll let you know

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/14 23:35:48 (permalink)
OMG.  To be able to route a soft synth to an audio track, and record all the changes I make to the soft synth, including program changes, is something I could use so bad!  As many know, you can already do this, but it involves putting a midi note XXX measures down the track, then doing that what you hear bounce to track thingy.  You just play and stop the rendering process when you are done...you get a message saying the rending was stopped before it was finished (because that midi note is way down there! so you have time to record what you wanted), do you want to keep it anyway, and you say yes, and you get a wave file on a new track with what you recorded.
 
So maybe recording a virtual port can have something to do with the rendering function...I always thought a window that contained all the things I did to record would have been enough.  But it's still I guess inferior to doing it right.
 
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 09:27:18 (permalink)
Yeah, the few remaining advantages Pro Tools has over Sonar are quickly becoming few and far between. :)  And when you look at the big picture - like bundled instruments/plugins and the payment structure, a strong argument could be made that Sonar has already surpassed them.  Which is kinda why Sonar gets used all the time and I never touch Pro Tools.  It came with my Eleven Rack so luckily I don't see it as a waste of money. :)

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 11:40:56 (permalink)
I just hope that output choice list will be modified too. Now in big projects this list of audio interface outputs, buses, side-chain plug-ins is already too long, and it takes time to scroll it down. If all audio tracks will be added there, it will be endless.
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 11:50:54 (permalink)
I think that is logical consequence after lengthy previous discussion about "random" soft synths. I have digged VST API and the internet in general just to find that NO ONE is really thinking about sound reproducibility coming from random components. So recording live is the only feasible option for all "unpredictable" software sound generators/modifiers.

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 13:12:01 (permalink)
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I just hope that output choice list will be modified too.



It's the Input list that will be affected by this feature. Physical interface driver inputs are already grouped into a branch of the drop-down list. If each soft synth gets its own branch, the list should be pretty manageable. If not, having even a few multi-out synths in the project would make for an immense list. I trust the Bakers will address this in a reasonable way.
 
 

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 13:39:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Thedoccal 2015/07/19 13:42:39
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I just hope that output choice list will be modified too.



It's the Input list that will be affected by this feature. Physical interface driver inputs are already grouped into a branch of the drop-down list. If each soft synth gets its own branch, the list should be pretty manageable. If not, having even a few multi-out synths in the project would make for an immense list. I trust the Bakers will address this in a reasonable way.
 


No you won't see endless track lists. We have something much cooler planned :)

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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 13:54:00 (permalink)
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No you won't see endless track lists. We have something much cooler planned :)

Drug and drop binding??? :-)
But anyway I hope that existing functionality will not suffer.
My hopes are so contradictory...
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Re: Track to Track Routing (and other mindless musings) 2015/07/15 14:03:17 (permalink)
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Adq
I just hope that output choice list will be modified too.



It's the Input list that will be affected by this feature. Physical interface driver inputs are already grouped into a branch of the drop-down list. If each soft synth gets its own branch, the list should be pretty manageable. If not, having even a few multi-out synths in the project would make for an immense list. I trust the Bakers will address this in a reasonable way.
 


No you won't see endless track lists. We have something much cooler planned :)




Now all ya'll should pay attention to this post. I think it says something about the new age of Sonar and how, as I've been saying with cautious optimism since X3, that we could be very well about to experience a massive shift from "underdogs" to "industry standard".
 
This lack of function has indeed been one of the things that other platforms had over Sonar. There was no real disputing that. However now that it is being implemented in Sonar what, ten?, twenty?, years after the others who are firmly planted in that (IMO lame arse, confusing, boring as balls) type of setup can we not expect a hyper modernized and much more USEFUL implementation of that old standard based on the years of requests and suggestions about it?
 
tl;dr
 
The old guys did it 20 years ago and it was "meh" but useful for specific things. 20 years of screaming and plotting and scheming might just = BOOM!!! Super awesome wicked time while the competitors are forced to deal with their 20 year old code deeply ingrained in their programs.
 
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