Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now

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Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now

I had lots of "user error issues" lately where use of quick groups broke a very progressed mix and often things go missing that I did not delete on purpose.

I think now that a big part of the actual problem is a fundamentally changed "logic" when it cones to selecting tracks, clips etc.

There is almost always more selected than what I intended to. What took one click to select now takes 3 (because you always have to go an deselect stuff). Way more mistakes happen because of this.

Seriously considering rollback to a previous version ... which one would that be? 2017.06 or .05 or earlier? When did Cakewalk fiddle with this so badly? Probably with one of the latest ripple editing improvements...

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    Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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    Re: Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now 2017/09/11 05:41:34 (permalink)
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    Just did another quick test and here's what makes working cumbersome:
    • As soon as you got automation and and take lanes, selecting a clip also selects the automation - which would be OK if I want to ripple edit / move stuff but much more often I just simply select clips to delete takes that are not good enough or no longer needed - in this case the automation gets also deleted BUT that applies to all other takes in that track and NOT just that single take that I deleted (!!!!)
    • It is not even consistent what is being selected (clearly a bug!) i.e. when using the smart tool to select a region containing one or several takes from 1 take lane, sometimes automation is selected alongside, sometimes not => again I don't want automation to be touched unless I ripple edit because very often I need to make subtle changes to timing by nudging clips => I don't want the automation to move in that case because that applies to the track and how it fits the song - it is not related to single clips at all (!!!!)
     
    I believe that this "new selection magic" has not been properly thought about when introducing ripple edit because
    • There is no reason to do this "select all tracks" unless you are in "Ripple Edit All" mode. You are asking for way more problems compared to what we used to have in terms of selecting clips, tracks, regions, on timeline, etc
    • You could stick to the old and proven selection methods and only in case of ripple edit active AND a drag and drop move action being initiated, the "rest" (i.e. automation, other takes from take lanes, ...) should be added to the selection to be moved along - but unless both conditions are satisfied, no point for this "extra magic" that's happening now

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    Re: Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now 2017/09/11 08:47:49 (permalink)
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    As stated here http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-likes-to-select-all-a-lot-now-m3653735.aspx#3653735
    I've noticed that way too often, SONAR selects *all* tracks when I do something (like mark some measures in the time line). There is no need for this - and it just creates extra clicks to "unselect" everything again.

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    Re: Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now 2017/09/14 05:51:48 (permalink)
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    I tried some more and here is what I consider real show stoppers for editing.
    • Select volume take lane of track 6 and track 8. Now pick your selection in the time line and your previous take lane selection is discarded (which strangely does not happen when you have full tracks and not just the take lanes selected => inconsistency / bug).
    • Doing it the opposite way i.e. selecting on the time line, then volume take lane of track 6 and track 8 works BUT (and this is a BIG BUT), it immediately discards your selection after the edit (nothing selected anymore) which means you cannot simply adjust your previous adjustment until you find the proper level and - just as bad - you cannot go to the timeline and make your selection for the next section. Practical example: try bringing down back vox tracks in each chorus. used to be super easy. select take lanes, make time range selection, pull down while listening, if gone too far adjust vertical drag, go to to timeline click next chorus ... not it is a click orgy deluxe (!!!)
    • What also occurred (several times yet hard to reproduce) is that some of the take lanes which got auto-selected by time range selection stayed active even though manually deselected (selection highlight indicator turned off) i.e. when adjusting volume take lanes, panning was also adjusted due to being active in the background but not visually indicated.

    IMHO a fairly broken state which needs an urgent and thorough fix!

    I'm sure that previous versions of Sonar did NOT work like that. I did a few tests rolling back and forth between 2017.06, 07 and 08 but unfortunately even 06 has the same issues so I cannot just rollback to 2 months. I would have to roll back further, which means losing and possibly compatibility / breaking currently running projects.

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    Re: Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now 2017/09/14 06:04:31 (permalink)
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    Cakewalk please have a look at http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-likes-to-select-all-a-lot-now-m3653735.aspx to understand in how many different ways this also affects other users!

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    Re: Track/clip selection a lot more cumbersome now 2017/09/17 09:30:30 (permalink)
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    I agree with the above. I find it most annoying to have all tracks selected by default when I select a time range. Extra time is required to deselect tracks not required. I hope future updates reverse this automatic selection behaviour.
     
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