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Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/duration?
Friends and Cakewalk Pros: I have a bunch of 1/4 inch reel tapes, that I used to make music on back in the analog era: small reels and big reels; 3 3/4, 7 1/2 & 15 ips speeds; mono, stereo and 4 track. Here's the problem: sometimes on one tape there's different recordings at different speeds. Also, the reel-to-reel deck that I'm using can't play back at 15 ips (just 3 3/4 and 7 1/2). After I've dumped a tape into Sonar, is there any way I can select a section that is at playing at half, or double the correct speed and pitch, and somehow resample the selection, or do some other simple magic to change it to the correct pitch and duration? Thanks for any advise and please forgive me if this is the wrong forum or the answer is already out there - I couldn't find it.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 00:33:16
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So you have some 15 ips tapes but you can't play them at 15 ips. You want to play them at 7.5 ips and then "speed them up" digitally? Interesting question! I think you can. The trick would be to set your audio interface to 44.1 KHz and record into an 88.2 KHz project. Or no, it should be the other way around... It's late and I've been smoking pot sipping Merlot since suppertime. Perhaps someone can intervene if there is an error in my logic.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 08:56:08
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It's late and I've been smoking pot sipping Merlot since suppertime.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 09:50:27
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Yes you can do this. But it will not sound correct. Transfer all at 15 (use a local studio). Then use audio snap to adjust the speeds. And if needed a pitch shifter to adjust pitch. It is difficult to align to measures as the actual speed of the tape prolly varies. AND:::: if the tapes are from the 70s, and/or 80s, they will need to be baked to remove moisture from the binding agent. Otherwise it will be sticky city.
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 15:06:58
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I have had some experience transferring reel to reel to digital. I still have a huge library of analog tape masters from a previous era and not transferred all of them yet. I have experimented with transferring at different speeds etc and it is definitely best to transfer any tape at the original speed it was recorded at. Fortunately I still have all the machines that can do it. I would not transfer all at 15 either, that won't sound great either. It is best to transfer at the exact speeds and track configurations as the original masters and not apply any processing at all to the final transfers. There must be some machines in your area that can still play these tapes. It is a matter of tracking them down. There should be a minimum signal path between the tape machine and your audio interface. Then you can always process later is required with some EQ etc. The levels are the most important thing. You need to find the loudest point on the analog tape masters and make sure your levels are set so those parts are not clipping in any way. If the tapes are very old they may need to be baked before you can attempt the transfer as well. You may not get too far before the shedding oxide becomes an issue, but hopefully your tapes are not at that point yet.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 15:55:42
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I agree with most of all the above. Best results will always be from playing back the tape on the original machine @ original speed. It goes downhill from there. Especialy if those tapes were recorded on a machine that used some kind of noise reduction. And there were some weird ones. Might be an Idea to pay someone on the forum who still has the right machine to transfer them for you.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2012/03/28 19:44:43
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teebee
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 17:22:03
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Thank you Jeff, I'll follow your advice.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/28 23:31:09
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There must be some machines in your area that can still play these tapes. It is a matter of tracking them down.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/29 17:35:53
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I misread the OP as having all 15ips recordings. Of course, record at original speeds.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/29 22:25:40
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I still have a huge library of analog tape masters from a previous era and not transferred all of them yet.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/03/30 12:27:41
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You'd end up with the best sound quality by hiring someone to do the 15 ips transfers for you, using a 15 ips machine. I'd call around to some local studios. Even if they don't have the equipment chances are they know someone who does, perhaps even a hobbyist in the area. There are still a lot of Teac A-3340S's around. Mine sat in my garage for many years before I gave it away - sometimes I kinda wish I still had it!
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/04/01 18:37:07
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Just be aware that the track configurations is something to take into consideration. The 4 track Teac A3340 machine that Bitflipper is referring to above will not play back that well a half track recording. It is one thing to get the speed correct but another to get the track configuration correct. If a tape has been recorded at 15 ips and on half track (which is very likely) you really need a proper half track machine to play it back. The Teac will work but not all the half tracks will be read properly and as well as a true half track machine does. The OP also mentions slower speeds and those will more than likely be recorded in various quarter track configurations and you best need a quarter track machine to play those as well. Sounds like he needs more than one tape machine to be able to transfer all those formats over properly. I own all the machines required and if the OP has no luck in his area another option is to send them all to me and I will do it for him (at a cost though) If some tapes are very old they may need to be baked. I have built the special oven for doing that.
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Re:Transfering reel-to-reel tapes to Sonar - Can resample correct wrong speed/pitch/durati
2012/04/01 19:54:03
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Reading the OP's first post I get a feeling all these recordings were done on consumer tape decks. He mentions 4 track but I had a Akai 4 track that was only stereo - you flipped the tape over. They were the most common decks in the 70's. I still have a Sony that was my Dad's but it has issues ( well used)---------------As Jeff is saying, the configuration is most important and finding the exact machine can be harder if this is consumer playback that is needed. One thing is I don't recall any consumer decks running 15ips. That sounds like a 1/2 track deck.
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