Transformers! Robots in disguise!!!

craigb

quantumeffect


My wife and I took our 8 and 6 year old ... very good movie (I thoroughly enjoyed it) and yes I know it's PG-13 but I felt the profanity was completely unnecessary. 

Not sure what has happened lately, but it seems like movies are competing with each other to see how much unnecessary foul language and sex can be crammed into a scene...  A couple of flicks that take the verbal abuse to all new lows include Burn After Reading and Wanted.  It's not just that the actors drop the f-bomb a LOT more than normal, it's actually pretty blantantly overdone (to an extreme in some parts of Burn After Reading).  Nothing like starting with low class and forging on towards none...

You know why I think that is, Craig? Just about everyone in the world these days from a certain age on down, is dropping the f-bomb in normal conversation. What's really bad is, the women seem to do it even more than the men. I think the movie writers are aware of this and are trying to relate to how the world really is. In my studio business, I can't tell you how bad some of the language is with my clients. They substitute the f word in between every other word nearly. This is even happening with my older clients in their 50's.
 
My father works at Rowan College as a supervisor. He has staff working with him that range in age from 21-63. He said the entire staff as well as the campus, use these words so bad, he's totally taken aback to the point of not even understanding what they say to him. Now granted, my dad is no saint....he's one of those mobster types from Philly...talks like Tony Soprano, so it's not like he doesn't drop the f word. However, one thing he and I never do, is physically say it to each other. We literally say "ef" when we go near that word. We have a fantastic, humorous relationship where he'll come home and I'll see him and say "my wonderful father" and he'll say "yeah yeah, my wonderful son...now go ef yourself and make me some breakfast...I'm effin starving over here!" We laugh...we talk in ebonics, we talk like mobsters...but we don't cross the line with each other.
 
That said, he's been slipping on me the past few weeks to where I'm like "hey with that mouth pal...you want me to start saying the f word around you?" He apologizes and says "Danny, it's where I work...they all say it so much all the time, it's making me say it too and I've never been like this! In all my years, (dad just turned 76) I have NEVER said the f word in front of a female including your mother. With these people...they all say it so much, the women are worst than the men and I'm getting just like them now!"
 
So I sincerely think it is the way society is these days. I notice it myself in everything I do. I'm no saint myself and sincerely feel there is a time and place for everything other than taking the Lord's name...especially for those that say that and don't believe. But man, it just amazes me how freely people drop these words. I'm doing a sound check a few weeks ago at this gig. The sound man yells through the monitors at me "is that fkn monitor working on your side Danny, or is it still fkd up?" There's a few people in the place...I know they heard it...but they are so used to this talk, no one bats an eye. I got chicks asking me for "fkn guitar picks" at every show. That's exactly how they ask for them! Or...you'll see a classy, nicely dressed lady and she'll come up to you and say "you guys were soo fkn great, I loved it! Me and my girls will be at every fkn show!" It's just the way the world is and these movies today, are really trying to make people "believe". Do I agree with it? Well....yes and no. It's like this....if we go back in time and were able to hear out takes of old movies...I wonder how many f-bombs were dropped by our beloved stars we considered "saints"? We hid things well back in the day...today, they pretty much tell it like it is. ;)
 
-Danny

Guitarhacker


DD... I agree. there is a time and a place.... if I bang my thumb really hard with a hammer.... that might be the place and time...but not in everyday convo and certainly not around a mixed crowd of men, women and children.

I reall one day when I did bang my thumb with a hammer.... and I said.... "Owwww! that hurt!" the guy I was working with looks at me and said... "real men don't say Owww...that hurts"... they say &%#@& !

My wife is a 4th grade teacher and she can tell you some stories, and we are in a rural NC area, not the big city so I can only imagine how bad it is in the urban centers..... actually no, I do know. At my high school reunion a few years back in NJ, one of my class mates worked in the local Camden school system, and commented that several of the teachers wear bullet proof vests under their shirts....that's bad.

I served some time in the US Marine corps.... in there, swearing was elevated to an art form. It was a hard habit to break when I got out. But I managed to change my vocabulary. Many folks I believe, use swearing as a substitute for creative thinking and the ability to choose an intelligent word in it's stead.

Instead of the F-bomb... I have noticed everyone is now substituting "FREAKING"  in it's place... well not everyone, just people who "should" never be uttering the f-bomb..... like radio announcers, parents, kids...and...... yes...even ministers and pastors are using it from the pulpit.
I find that disturbing. But that's just me.

Totally agree with you Herb...yeah it is sad and quite a bit of it is disturbing. Ohhh Camden...scarey place! For it's size, it's been called "worse than Detroit". I've had my share of issues while being in Camden...nothing ever good unfortunately other than I'm still alive. :)
 
Yeah agree on the substitute thing as well as "freakin". I actually prefer that myself...it sounds much better than the real word. I'v noticed in my time, that most "guy things" were always like a gym locker room. Football, baseball, karate, wrestling, motocross, car racing...all the stuff I've been into that is more "guy oriented" seems to be really bad with the language. I'm pretty thankful it's never rubbed off on me. Like I said though, I'm no saint but definitely do not use bad words like everyone else does. As a matter of fact, I really try to avoid them at all costs now because it just doesn't sound good really. Ever hear a recording of yourself with friends and hear yourself say words that you didn't notice you said often? I'm not talking bad words...just any words. Some guys say "like you know, so and so, like I was there with him and like, he was like all drunk and stuff". I had a problem years ago with saying "basically" all the time. I heard myself do it while teaching a class while watching a video of the lesson and nearly threw up at how many times I said that word. You better believe I cut that out of my vocabulary! LOL! I also try to never say pause words like "umm" or "ah" if I can help it. Ever see someone on TV doing an interview and they keep "umming" between every word?! That soo annoys me so I try not to do it either. Hahaha! :)
 
-Danny

Hmm...  After hitting "Post Message" I noticed the topic title and realized that the thread has been transformed...  And that it's mostly my fault.

Sorry Reece!
 
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craigb


Hmm...  After hitting "Post Message" I noticed the topic title and realized that the thread has been transformed...  And that it's mostly my fault.

Sorry Reece!
 
No robots were damaged during this thread derailment.

I thought that's what normally happens in the coffee house?  automatic thread derailment.  it's just the natural way of things!
 

quantumeffect

Totally agree with you Herb...yeah it is sad and quite a bit of it is disturbing. Ohhh Camden...scarey place! For it's size, it's been called "worse than Detroit". I've had my share of issues while being in Camden...nothing ever good unfortunately other than I'm still alive. :)

I’ve had some positive experiences in Camden … went to the aquarium a couple of times with the kids and watched the 4^th of July Fireworks from there 2 years ago and this past spring my son and I slept on the Battleship USS New Jersey with the Cub Scouts (although the mattresses they supplied looked like they were a donation from a homeless shelter).

Transformers came after me ... post 70’s … so have been popular for almost 30 years and are currently very popular with the 3 to 5 year old set.  My son didn’t go through a Transformers stage but several of his friends did.  That said, I accept the fact that the film’s marketing team is going to target folks who grew up with Transformers giving them a 30’s - something target audience (some of the parents of my sons friends who are now in their 30’s played with Transformers when they were little and were looking forward to the movie) but certainly that works its way down to the teens.

Given that Transformers are hugely popular with the 3 – 5 set which I know from personal experience, the marketing team must know that parents will want to take their kids that are under 10.  The action / adventure is probably a bit too intense for a 4 or 5 year old but my 6 year old daughter was perfectly OK with the action / adventure part of it.

I just thought the profanity stuck out like a sore thumb, seemed forced and didn’t add anything to the movie.  Mobsters dropping the f-bomb in a movie about organized crime adds realism, characters running around battling toy action figures don’t need to curse … you didn’t hear Buzz Lightyear calling Andy his biatch and Toy Story still made a little bit of money.

On another Transformer note, my wife noticed that the love interest was kidnapped in 4 – 5 inch heels, she was then running around the city in flats and was wearing heals again when she was reunited with her boyfriend (just to make this perfectly clear, this was not my observation).

while I completely agree with your assessment, I would also add that the sexual aspect of the movie also stood out sorely.  yes, I noticed she had 4 inch heels while running for her life in a building that was being destroyed, but the very first scene of her in it was of her barely covered rear walking up the stairs to jump onto Sam.  this was not a target for 3-5 year olds, or if it was then the director has a very sick mind.

. I have noticed everyone is now substituting "FREAKING"  in it's place...

This is something that keeps me up at night.


Is it "Freakin" OR "Friggin"  ?
OR
Are they separate emotions?

Yeah but what does "mojo" really mean?

So you're not gonna tell me?

:-)

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Mojo may refer to:

[edit] Media and entertainment

• Mojo (comics), a supervillain in various Marvel Comics publications
• Mojo, a board game
• Mojo!, a sweet available in the UK in the 1970s
• Mojo!, a video game
• Mojo (play), a play by Jez Butterworth
• Mojo (magazine), a British music magazine
• Mojo (mobile journalist), a journalist in the field who sends stories electronically
• Mojo: Conjure Stories, an anthology edited by Nalo Hopkinson
• MOJO HD, an American television network
• Mother Jones (magazine) or MoJo, a progressive magazine
• Mojo Rules System (RPG), a generic multi-genre RPG rules system presented in Polymancer
• Mojo, a fictional helper monkey in The Simpsons
• Mojo, a character in Chrono Cross
• Mojo, a Protoss Hero in StarCraft
• Mojo, a fictional dog in Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• Mojo, a fictional explosive device in the movie Red Mercury (film)
• Mojo Jojo, The main villain in The Powerpuff Girls

[edit] Music

• Mojo, an album by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
• Mr Mojo Risin, an anagram of "Jim Morrison", found on "L.A. Woman", a 1971 album by The Doors.
• Mojo Nixon, American musician
• "Got My Mojo Workin'", a song made popular by Muddy Waters that became a blues standard
• MoJo, a Japanese vocalist
• The Mojos, a 1960s merseybeat group
• "Mojo" (Peeping Tom song)
• Mojo Radio (WPLJ), a New York City-based radio station
• Mojo Radio (CFMJ), a Toronto, Ontario radio station CFMJ
• Mojo Concerts, a Dutch subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications
• Mojo Records, a record label
• "Mojo", a song by Night Ranger from Feeding off the Mojo
• George "Mojo" Buford, American blues harmonica player

[edit] Places

• Mojo, Ethiopia, a railway town near Addis Ababa
• Mojo Alcantara, an Italian municipality in Sicily

[edit] People

Mojo as given name

• Mojo Collins, former lead singer of the bands Sawbuck and Initial Shock
• Mojo Mendiola, philologist and artist

Mojo as nicknames

• Mo Johnston or MoJo, footballer
• Mortimer Jordan High School, or MoJo, in Morris, Alabama
• Maurice Jones-Drew or MoJo, NFL running back for the Jacksonville Jaguars
• Matt Morginsky or Mojo, former lead singer of The O.C. Supertones
• Permian High School or Mojo, a high school in Odessa, Texas

[edit] Other

• Mojo (African American culture), a magical charm bag used in voodoo, sometimes called a mojo hand
• Mojo, a slang word for self-confidence, self-esteem or sex appeal
• Mojo (sauce), a name of various culinary sauces used in the Canary Islands and the Caribbean
• Mojo Press, a publisher of books and graphic novels
• Miscarriages of Justice Organisation or MOJO, a charity dedicated to fighting miscarriages of justice
• Box Office Mojo, a website detailing motion picture box-office totals
• MojoWorld, a computer software package used in 3D computer graphics
• Mojo Club, a club in Hamburg
• Modjo, a French dance music duo
• Moxos people, an Amerind people sometimes called Mojos or Mohos
• Mojo in the Morning, a radio show on channel FM 95.5 in Detroit, Michigan
• Libido, sometimes referred to in slang as 'mojo'.
• Mojo Bar, a cocktail bar in Palma de Mallorca, Mallorca, Baleares
• Mojo (file), file sharing program released by Deusty
• Mojo (advertising), an Australian advertising agency.
• Mojo (SDK), a software development kit for developing web applications for webOS

 I work at a university and I hear the young adults trying to fit in with whatever the "talk" is supposed to be. The language I hear is pretty bad. My wife teaches a lower grade and some of the things she tells me these kids know already stuns me. I am also no saint when it comes to language sometimes.....mostly happens when someone pulls right out in front of me and then decides to stop to turn 1/8 mile down the road. I seriously almost rear ended someone the other day. I mean, I drive a red car for Petes sake! First they stop look right at you and then decide to pull out. Ever happen to you?

 What gets me the most though is the "J" word not the "F" word. I never could understand why if a person is an athiest, they aren't going around saying Budda or Mohammad. Using anyones name as a curse word is a great disrespect to that person. I keep waiting for the lightening to strike.

I took my 3 (1-4 yr. olds) children to see Whinnie the Pooh and there were no F-bombs at all .....even in thought. We don't let them watch or hear anything that's not age appropriate material and that included me not using household words like damn, stupid, idiot etc...which I used to commonly use before having children. We believe that if we want our children to talk and behave properly, we have to lead by example.

When hanging out with the guys (when I was single) I sadly fell into that catagory that Danny described, but now I'm very happy to have cleaned up my act for the family and myself. Unfortunately, the world is a very different place.....or actually my home is probably the different place. What used to be bad, is commonly accepted now...   

Hmm... "What the Mooch" - That would make a good band name as well!