bapu
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Tried Neutron Today
On Bass and Kick. Did a Track Assist on both. Then did a Masking using Bass as primary (duh). Pleased with the results I will say. Not dramatic but a subtle improvement.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 18:49:41
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Yep...Track Assistant is a really nice feature. You may even find that what it suggests is just fine, but, if not, you have a good starting point to being your tweaks!
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 19:50:20
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 21:33:05
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Fleer Full of envy I am
Why are you talking like Yoda?
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 22:43:58
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 22:47:12
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Fleer Full of envy I am
That's fine. I'm full of it too. Oh snap, Fleer said envy.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 22:55:48
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Snap? Surely you mean ship.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/22 23:59:17
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I wonder if something like this would be of any use to me given that I already have MAutoAnalyzer to identify frequency collisions.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 00:12:54
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sharke I wonder if something like this would be of any use to me given that I already have MAutoAnalyzer to identify frequency collisions.
Well I would suspect probably not, but does MAutoAnalyzer also create an EQ curve based on what it found? That might be a tipping point since Neutron does (which of course you can tweak).
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 01:30:01
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bapu
sharke I wonder if something like this would be of any use to me given that I already have MAutoAnalyzer to identify frequency collisions.
Well I would suspect probably not, but does MAutoAnalyzer also create an EQ curve based on what it found? That might be a tipping point since Neutron does (which of course you can tweak).
That may be helpful in some situations yes, although I have to say I think the whole area of identifying frequency collisions and applying curves to correct them is only part of the whole EQ story. Sometimes MAutoAnalyzer will identify a "hotspot" which to my ears isn't really doing the mix any harm. I think it's possible to get too obsessed with perfect separation, sometimes instruments share frequency ranges and that's OK. When I first got MAutoAnalyzer I went a little nuts trying to "correct" every collision it identified. You end up chasing your tail. First of all, those collision hotspots are moving around all the time as the music plays. You might see a brief flash at 500Hz and then it moves to 1kHz for a second, and then 250Hz lights up. And secondly, you can lose your mind comparing one instrument to another and seeing different frequency clashes. Pretty soon you've got multiple EQ's and stupidly complex curves all over the place. The only time I use it now is when I have a really big problem with masking. And first and foremost, I try to avoid that by giving more thought to sound selection. Every now and then I will put three or four sounds together and they all sound perfectly distinct and balanced before I've inserted a single EQ. Doesn't happen very often but when it does it always reminds me of how little EQ you can get away with if you choose your sounds wisely.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 01:43:24
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sharke it always reminds me of how little EQ you can get away with if you choose your sounds wisely.
And therein lies the rub (so to speak)
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 08:27:27
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Much as I love MMultiAnalyzer, I don't find the collision display useful. First of all, 95% of time the truly harmful frequency collisions are apparent without visual aids. It's akin to identifying pitch "problems" in Melodyne that weren't even audible until you could see them, and then assuming that fixing every last one of them will make your vocals sound better. Second, not all collisions are necessarily problematic. Sometimes, you do it on purpose. Imagine a chef complaining "I can't taste the salt!".
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 09:59:37
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bitflipper Imagine a chef complaining "I can't taste the salt!".
Great analogy!
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 10:17:01
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 13:51:34
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I gave Neutron a try and it can make great adjustments to the EQ. The problem I find is that when I run it, the results are always different. I'm not using it on tracks, I've got it on the master buss. I ran sections of the song through the assistant several times and the results were not predictable. Sometimes the results would be amazing and sometimes horrible. Another silver bullet with auto-tarnish.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 15:26:37
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☼ Best Answerby bapu 2016/10/23 19:30:25
My suggestion would be to go with the "amazing" results. YMMV. :-)
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 16:47:34
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 21:25:55
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2016/10/23 22:36:47
"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl" (Wish You Were Here)
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 22:40:09
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It ain't just a river in in Belgium.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 22:53:04
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"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl" (Wish You Were Here)
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/23 23:59:57
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☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2016/10/24 22:50:03
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk9aThIovMA
Or this.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/24 10:05:40
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yorolpal My suggestion would be to go with the "amazing" results. YMMV. :-)
+1
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/24 10:12:23
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This is one response to the video, "Belgium is a beautiful city" Ooooooooh kay
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/24 22:49:22
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BassDaddy Ooooooooh kay
Kay? Edith's jealous.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/25 19:55:09
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Bought it I did. Happy is I am.
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/25 20:09:18
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/26 09:32:21
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/10/27 16:09:51
Fleer Yoda you 2!
It should be Yoda, ewe 2. Sometimes your spelling is atroshus!
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/26 11:17:50
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woooeeeeeemooooeeeee (as my fellow Wookie would say) !
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/27 15:52:29
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/10/27 16:09:40
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Re: Tried Neutron Today
2016/10/27 16:11:01
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2016/10/27 17:26:58
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