Trivial clip mute issue.

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2014/03/29 08:40:04 (permalink)

Trivial clip mute issue.

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New project
Add a new audio track and drag in a couple of clips.
Under the edit filter for the track select Automation -> Volume.
Right click a clip
Click Clip Mute/Unmute
 
EXPECTED
Clip mutes
 
ACTUAL
Nothing. Note other envelopes work.
(nb if by design, and I doubt it should be, the facility should be greyed out)
 
Can anybody confirm? Thanks...

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    icontakt
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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/03/29 10:27:53 (permalink)
    Works as expected here...

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/03/30 16:33:28 (permalink)
    Weird... OK I better check this out some more... Thanks for feedback.

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 12:28:29 (permalink)
    Can no longer reproduce either.... Thanks...

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 14:12:00 (permalink)
    I just had a similar thing where I couldn't slip edit or highlight to delete parts of a track that had automation unless I turned off the little blue "read" icon,,, is this normal? 

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 17:33:50 (permalink)
    Give us the specific steps from a new project (like the steps in the first post) and I'll check it out. Thanks.

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 17:41:44 (permalink)
    Cactus Music
    I just had a similar thing where I couldn't slip edit or highlight to delete parts of a track that had automation unless I turned off the little blue "read" icon,,, is this normal? 



    I would suspect it had more to do with switching the Edit Filter back to Clips after having enabled/edited the automation. But I don't think that's linked to the Read button in any way, so it would have been a separate action.

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 18:11:44 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave I will look for this edit filter, thought it might be that kind of thing,, You have to bear with me as I still expect things work the way they did in 8.5, I'm still pretty green as far as X behavior goes and I daily run into weird things I don't understand. 
     
    The tracks are audio, vocals,guitar and are not continuous having a few punch ins so might involve 4 or more " clips" if that is what they become? I myself have never knowingly changed anything about the actual tracks. But I will admit I often accidentally will hit keys by mistake.
    Now I will say all of these started life in 8.5 if that makes a difference.  
     
    But what I find is the minute I add automation to a track it becomes stubborn and cannot be highlighted or edited.  
    So I have to delete all envelopes and then toggle the R off and the track becomes "normal" again.
    Thank goodness I did not spend any time writing the automation and it's easily re done. 
    I poked around looking for some clue to what "state" it had become. The new "help" files are obviously only on line but I downloaded the PDF and wade my way though it when bored. I  also have a copy of Scott's Power  for X1 which is easy reading and a great help,   I think everything is still relevant to x3 but I have only made it to page 78. Anyhow if it's like 8.5 it will be a year before I'm doing things correctly. 
    The forum is a big part of the learning process for me. Trouble is we don't like to ask a million questions about the stuff that's most likely well covered somewhere in the text. 
     

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 19:08:25 (permalink)
    Definitely sounds like an Edit Filter thing.

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/24 21:10:31 (permalink)
    I have been happily using Sonar/ Cakewalk since 2004,,,an edit filter is a new one to me, just goes to show.. sorry for the hijack Alex,, I figured you wouldn't be too upset.. 

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/25 08:07:56 (permalink)
    Not at all. Cheers...

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    Re: Trivial clip mute issue. 2014/04/25 11:17:08 (permalink)
    Cactus Music
    But what I find is the minute I add automation to a track it becomes stubborn and cannot be highlighted or edited.


    Yeah that's totally Edit Filter behavior. I still bump my head on that regularly, partly because the Smart tool is so all-powerful that I expect it to be ready to do anything I want all the time.
     
    Adding an automation envelope automatically changes the Edit Filter to that automation type so you can edit it without accidentally moving/editing other objects. The quick way to get back to editing the clip is to Shift+click it. Or you can explicitly change it using the picker in the track header or in the Tools HUD (T or Center/Wheel+click). Shift+click on the envelope (or another envelope), and you're editing the envelope again.

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