Cabbitt
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True Pianos
Hi. I am trying to record the output from a True Piano MIDI track by bouncing to track, but it is not working. It works with TS-1 and Dim Pro, but not True Pianos.
I have searched the manual and Garrigus' book, but no luck. Can you tell me the correct process? I am inserting True Pianos as the soft synth on a piano track.
Thanks!
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Rothchild
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/09 12:13:27
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If you are using 'Bounce to Tracks' you need to make sure you select the audio and midi track.
Have you tried using 'freeze' (the little snowflake)? This also renders audio out of synths etc.
I'm not fully clear what you are referring to when you talk about a 'piano track'? There are 3 kinds of tracks in Sonar: MIDI tracks, for capturing and playing back the data needed to control midi devices, such as soft synths, keyboards etc. Audio tracks, for recording and playing back audio (including the output(s) of software synths (like true piano) and 'Instrument Tracks' which are something of a kludge together of both of the above.
To keep things clear I tend to use the 'old' two track method, with soft synths and maintain a separate midi and audio track(s).
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/09 13:33:17
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Thanks for responding.
In the past I have always just armed a new audio track and selected the MIDI track and the synth track, and selected my sound card for input, and it worked fine.
Now I have a new DAW running Win7/64, and I can't do it the way I used to. Now, I select the MIDI track and the corresponding synth track and use Bounce To Track. It works with the TS-1 and DimPro, but not True Pianos. It's strange.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/09 13:46:52
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It is strange that it works with some and not others.
What happens if you freeze the audio track with the true piano in it?
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/09 17:15:05
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I've never used the freeze function. I''l have to try that.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 05:06:57
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You should not have to arm a new audio track for your bounce to work - Sonar will automatically put the rendered wave into the Audio track associated with the Midi track.
Start by hitting ctrl + shift + a, then select both tracks, then go edit > bounce to tracks.
Personally, I'd try freezing the synth (NOT the track) as you can easily Unfreeze it if you want to make changes to the Midi, then freeze it again.
The only downside to this is the horrible, grey colour that you get on frozen tracks. This can be overcome by just dragging the forzen audio to a brand new audio track after the bounce has finished, though you would have to duplicate any track Fx, Sends, Panning, Output, Level etc that you've got set up on the original.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 09:27:25
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Cabbitt
Thanks for responding.
In the past I have always just armed a new audio track and selected the MIDI track and the synth track, and selected my sound card for input, and it worked fine.
Now I have a new DAW running Win7/64, and I can't do it the way I used to. Now, I select the MIDI track and the corresponding synth track and use Bounce To Track. It works with the TS-1 and DimPro, but not True Pianos. It's strange.
but is there a reason you want to do this instead of bounce? bounce performs nearly the same function automatically.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 09:36:55
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Personally, I'd try freezing the synth (NOT the track) as you can easily Unfreeze it if you want to make changes to the Midi, then freeze it again. Sorry, a bit OT but, what's the difference between using the freeze button on the synth, in the synth rack, and the freeze button on the track header of the track that the synth outputs to? I'd never even considered that they might give me a different result. Cheers, Child
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 09:46:43
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Errr, the simple answer is....... I don't honestly know  I must have started using that function in direct response to something I read on this forum. Great - questioning my own sanity so early in the year 
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 10:13:41
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In the past I have always just armed a new audio track and selected the MIDI track and the synth track, and selected my sound card for input, and it worked fine. That's incorrect. All you have to do is select the MIDI track that has True Pianos set as the output and the instrument track that has True Pianos assigned to it. Then Edit-Bounce to Tracks. It will ask you what track to put the bounced audio on. You don't need to add a track or arm it.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 10:19:40
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I doubt there is any difference. from a programming standpoint it would make the most sense to make them the same subroutine call.
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 10:28:10
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Great - questioning my own sanity so early in the year Glad I'm not the only one! Beagle's point is what I'd assumed Child
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Re:True Pianos
2011/01/10 10:34:31
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daveny5
In the past I have always just armed a new audio track and selected the MIDI track and the synth track, and selected my sound card for input, and it worked fine.
That's incorrect. All you have to do is select the MIDI track that has True Pianos set as the output and the instrument track that has True Pianos assigned to it. Then Edit-Bounce to Tracks. It will ask you what track to put the bounced audio on. You don't need to add a track or arm it.
Seem like the OP has earlier done only real time bounce? Well...if you have plenty of time...
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