True Stereo Track

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2012/04/28 18:18:56 (permalink)

True Stereo Track

Hello all.

I'm playing around with Autotune Evo, which only works with "true stereo" tracks. When I arm a vocal track for recording, I have 3 choices (Left/Right/Stereo), but when I select stereo, it only records on one side of the track. I have tried bouncing the track to a stereo track, but am unsure if this qualifies as a "true stereo" track.
  Do I need to get a "Y" connector to plug my mic into both inputs on my Focusrire Saffire 6 interface in order to get "true stereo"?

Sorry for such an inane question!


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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/28 19:45:50 (permalink)
    Don't quote me, but I think you need two outputs going into to two inputs... left and right from mic source to soundcard.

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/28 21:36:27 (permalink)
    I'm curious what they mean by true?
    In Sonar a stereo track simply means two lanes of data linked in one waveform. (Actually all (or most(?) of the signal paths in Sonar are dual/stereo even if there's only one data set flowing through it.
     
    In a broader sense true stereo can mean with differences in the two sides that allows the sound of stereo, as opposed to recording the same thing to both sides- which is mono sound
      
    "...  Do I need to get a "Y" connector to plug my mic into both inputs on my Focusrire Saffire 6 interface in order to get "true stereo"? "
    To get input to both sides of the input pair- and fill both the left and right sides of the track- yes. It will be two mono files playing together = mono (and a bit louder than it would be otherwise..
    But even if you slect this 'stereo input#x' and only record to one side.. it will still be the same double file size, and will play, act and except for the sound be.. a 'stereo track'.
    Enough flipping 'round there for one day?
    post edited by mixsit - 2012/04/28 21:54:41

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/29 07:42:52 (permalink)
    Thanks for responding. I find the "true stereo" thing confusing as well. If I copy a mono track and paste it into an empty track, what I actually have is "dual mono" tracks.
      The only things I can think of it either a splitter, or using two separate mics, which could lead to phase cancellation nightmares.
    I've been trying to get this AT working, then I RTFM again and saw this "true stereo" bit. I just hate to buy a splitter if there is another way to get this done.

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/29 10:01:32 (permalink)
    You don't need any Y cable for this. Record it to a mono track (using Left input), then just Edit-Bounce to Track(s) and select Stereo as the Channel Format on the popup dialog.  

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/29 10:28:41 (permalink)
    Here is the related instruction from the AT Evo manual: "ANOTHER NOTE: Auto-Tune Evo will only pitch correct true stereo tracks. If the second track (i.e., the track not selected as a pitch reference) is simply an independent unrelated track, unpredictable (and potentially unpleasant) sounds may result. On the other hand, something interesting might happen. You never know." ----> So creating a stereo track by bouncing from a mono track should be fine.
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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/29 14:03:08 (permalink)
    You cannot pitch-correct two uncorrelated channels. That's true for any pitch editor. 

    Imagine if you recorded two separate, unrelated mono tracks, panned them hard L-R and then bounced them to a single stereo track. You wouldn't expect Evo to make sense of them, would you? However, if you recorded a vocal onto a stereo track, even if the two channels are differently-treated they'd still have the same pitch and could be edited simultaneously.

    You're going to be better off recording your vocals in mono anyway. There is no benefit to recording a vocal track in stereo unless you're tracking two or more vocalists at once, like a choir. But don't expect to be able to pitch-correct that, either.



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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/30 02:28:26 (permalink)
    My Dog, that was... it?

    It works on dual ('stereo) tracks-- but don't try to tune from mixed or unrelated content

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/30 03:11:59 (permalink)
    I find that more than strange. A VST that is meant to be used mostly on vocals, which are, almost as a rule, recorded in mono,...only works on stereo tracks. Does it make any sense to you??

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/30 10:55:14 (permalink)
    Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks.


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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/04/30 12:08:41 (permalink)
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    Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks.


    Oh! Thanks for correcting.

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/05/01 01:00:14 (permalink)
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    Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks.

    Unless I'm missing something here, what I got out of this..? True' doesn't even relate and is a complete distraction to what they were trying specify. Mono, dual mono, an actual two mic stereo image- same same; One pitch source at a time.

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    Re:True Stereo Track 2012/05/01 12:34:41 (permalink)
    One pitch source at a time

    Exactly.


    I would add, though, that pitch editors may also have difficulty with stereo files whose channels are wildly different spectrally from one another, even though they share a common fundamental frequency. You don't want to make the task any more difficult than necessary for the pitch-extraction algorithm, which is why you want to start with squeaky-clean mono recordings.


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