Trying to Edit Clip Envelopes from an older 8.5 project

the easiest way to create 2 envelopes within a passage is to drag select that area and then wait till the mouse turns in to a double sided arrow.

 
I know its probably not related or going to solve your problem but I hope it helps

timidi
 
Chuck is showing you volume envelope editing in an envelope lane. 

Clip gain is done the same way, no ?  
the only difference is the line is red and not green

what I was referring to is, the process to select and edit is the same way in a lane or on the clip.
 

musikman
I can see the envelope as a straight line on the clip, but can't see any nodes so I can't edit it.

 
I might be misunderstood but I thought he was looking for a way to edit the already established envelope.
The best to do this in my opinion is just like the the video I posted.
Drag select and then Drag down/up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqyKdhH_M98
 

Hey Chuck. Yea, I think the OP couldn't find the 'clip gain' in the drop down menu as is shown in Craig's video.
And, I think Clip gain envelopes in lanes is unnecessary.
 
For me, using that swipe/select method is really cumbersome. Maybe for other stuff it's ok, just not gain. Or, maybe I'm just not used to it.
I use clip gain envelopes on a micro level with tons of nodes and edits are usually shaped like a 'V' not a box.
and volume on a macro level.

Hey guys, thanks for being patient.  Thanks for the YT video timidi.  I had another look at the clip in question, and I tried your methods, which actually did great at creating a brand new clip gain envelope, as opposed to activating the one that already existed. So I then began to realize that the existing envelope was actually a gradual "fade in" envelope on that clip, not a clip gain envelope, similar but not the same I guess. (been a long time since I worked on this old project, guess I forgot what I had done so long ago, sorry to mislead you). 
 
Either way I still couldn't get that existing fade-in envelope to activate so that I could edit it, it just remains there as a sort of "greyed out" or "thin white" line representing the fade in. You would think all I'd have to do is click on it using the smart tool and it will become active and ready to be edited, but it's just dead for some reason. Tried hovering the smart tool equipped mouse all over it and near the nodes at each end, but nothing happened.
 
I don't think it will help, but I did make a screen grab, but can't seem to upload the JPEG directly from my PC to this post. I can't just upload a JPEG here anymore??...It seems I need a URL link, which I don't have, and I got rid of Photobucket, (too buggy and annoying spam mail). Anyone have a tip on how to just upload a picture the direct way so that it shows here in the post? Thanks.
 
Btw Chuck, I never have used "lanes" in my projects, so although I've seen them before in Reason, and I understand the concept, I am totally in the dark about how to create lanes and use them in Platinum. I had a long stretch between upgrades, I literally went from 8.5.3 straight to Platinum only a few months ago. So I totally skipped over X1,2 &3,  I missed quite a few upgrades, new features, etc...and likely missed valuable information along the way. So some features, like lanes, are commonplace to most, but still new to me. Also, a lot of what I do is just recording straight audio and basic editing, FX, and mastering. I do pretty well for what I need, but I don't have a ton of technical knowledge like that of a studio engineer. I keep things simple, the technical stuff can bog me down, although I'm certainly not timid about learning new things in Sonar when I need to accomplish something specific. 
 
In the meantime, I'm gonna do some research to see if I can find out why I can't activate this fade envelope. Once I find the answer, I'm sure it will be the same solution to activate any existing clip envelope from a Sonar 8.5.3 project, ....(hopefully!)
 
 

Hey Cactus, I've never used envelope lanes, any chance you could tell me how to find the envelope lane for that track and open it to view it? Maybe if I can open that up I'll find the old existing envelope and be able to finally edit it. Thanks, much appreciated.

Ok thanks Cactus, got it. That gives me a brand new volume envelope to work with, as Chuck has shown in his first post.  Looks like track lanes aren't used for fade envelopes. In the track lane drop down all I see is Volume, Automated Mute, and Pan. No Fade envelope option.
 
After some further digging in the manual I found the solution to be simple as far as moving the position of the Fade, getting rid of the Fade altogether, or changing the curve type of the Fade. 
 
To change an existing fade:
1. Move your cursor over the beginning of a fade-out or the end of a fade-in, until your cursor looks like this: (triangle with L&R arrows above it)
2. Right-click to and select the desired fade type from the menu that appears.
 
However, I don't see any options for adding nodes to a Fade, though I don't remember if that was even possible in 8.5.3 either, I think not. So at least for now my problem is solved for the Fade-In editing, I'll have to find a project that has an old existing volume envelope to try editing, I'll post results here. Thanks to everyone who posted here to lend a hand, I appreciate everyone on this forum, they always come through every time. Thank you!
 
MM

See my edited post above Chuck.  Found the solution in the Reference Guide, at least for the fade edit. I'm sure the other envelopes will show available in the automation lanes, though I haven't tried it yet, I will be soon. Thanks for all your help bud.