SongCraft


     Billy:   Notice that NO mixer/console strip gets selected.

You're almost there, just need to finish doing the assignment... Watch this Tutorial (skip forward to about 2:00) in this tutorial he uses Battery and you will see that once it's setup right (with separate outs) from thereon when you click on a 'part' (example; Snare) the corresponding channel (mixer) will be highlighted. :)

Here is a video demonstrating a 6 channel sample mapped to an 8 channel output which itself has the 8 outputs assigned to 4 Stereo Outputs in Cubase: http://puretone.nl/flash/Kontakt_Routing.swf And basically it seems you just revealed why you had better performance in Sonar than Cubase: Massive operator error.

So, what's this thread about?

SongCraft


Billy,

There's a plugin meter that includes K-Metering, it's light you can drop it on all chns if you like..

You know the old cliche rears it's ugly head; 'No DAW is perfect, they all have their strengths and weaknesses'.....

... on the Presonus forum there are lots of feature requests;  midi improvements, audio quantize (along the lines of Melodyne and AT), Track-Folders and Track Freeze,  the FR list goes on and on and on and on LOL!!

Now look at the Sonar X1 forum: Wish Lists, Envelopes and Console to name a few.   Dang it, X1 has barely hit the stores and already there are hundreds of posts scattered everywhere LOL!!  Like I said, no DAW is perfect but anyway... 'X1b is on the way to save the day' (dorky super hero vocal-dub)

Did I forget to mention issues and FR posted on the PT9 forum, Ableton forum, oh and the Cubase forum. LOL!! No matter where one goes that same old cliche hits the fan.

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Jeff Evans


Billy I am sorry I am still a little confused. Why not you just create a bunch of instrument tracks and send them all to the Kontakt plug in. And the outputs of each of those tracks should open up a menu and Kontakt should be in that and all of those tracks can be assigned to the same plugin. You can do kick on one track, snare on another etc. Then as in the Battery demo on that video, assign the required instruments to their own outputs which all come up on mixer channels for individual processing. The only track that will light up in the mixer window is when you jump on the actual track with Kontakt inserted. Does it matter that it does not light up if you are on the other instrument tracks. The other instrument tracks will feed direct to Kontakt and those sounds out to their own outputs. Of course you have to swap what notes you are playing per track to trigger the different sounds etc.

I like doing all the drum sequencing if I am going to do it that is, on one track because you can see all the drum parts at once and it is only one track you are dealing with. Your method allows for some more advanced treatments like advancing and ****ing tracks that contain just one sound eg kick etc.. But you could still pick up all the kick hits easily and nudge them either way in the PRV view.

So you end up with one instance of Kontakt being triggered from several instrument tracks (your method) and the individual sounds those tracks are addressing are going their own outputs. Isn't this the ideal situation.

Another option is to insert multiple instances of the Kontakt player and assign each one to a particular task eg kick, another on snare etc. The good news is the CPU resources are not used until Kontakt has to make a sound so if you have got a tom fill set up etc then it will only draw CPU resources when the toms need to happen etc.

A decent computer should not have any issues coping with multiple Kontakt instances. Then they will all have their own mixer channels etc. for processing and their own tracks for their parts etc..This works very well.

I agree with you that this is where Sonar is great in terms of the multi output options you get when making  instrument tracks. This is a time I would go back into Sonar for lots of production on drum machine parts etc but then maybe back over to S1 for the non stop improvising over the drum tracks etc..

Jonbouy

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Jonbouy

ba_midi

Cakewalk implemented better multi-channel VSTi routing (total flexibility).

I can also state flatly that, for the moment, Studio One does not handle Multi-Out VSTi routing that well either as compared to Sonar.

That ain't what I'm seeing.

I'm seeing one instrument instance and all the output channels you want are available on a convenient list. One click to enable any output you like.

Setting up something like Kontakt in Sonar first off is a pain.  First assign your instrument to the Kontakt output then select the corresponding output from Kontakt to a Sonar Track input = Slow.  Therefore save to template.

S1 drag instrument to track all outputs are immediately available from a drop down, or from the instrument list in the Console, click on the output and it appears in the console = Fast.  No template required because the entire list is available at all times, but make a template if you prefer.

I'm not saying one way is better than the other but I'm certainly preferring this new and novel way of approaching it AND already finding it easier and quicker to handle.

The fact you can ditch any midi track associated with, but independent to, the output means you can bounce to audio and immediately re-use the same output for a different midi track with the same instrument instance and patch already set-up.

Jon,

Yes you can click to add all the outs from the multi-out easy enough.  But that's not the problem.
I suspect you didn't fully understand what I'm seeing as a problem.

I'm not sure it's fair to discuss it in length here on the Sonar forum though.

But in simple terms, the tracks that one adds for separate parts to the same Multi-Out do not get linked to the mixer at all for me.  I've watched the videos about this and see the same thing.  So I think I just didn't explain it well enough.

If you'd like, I can PM you about this, and I do intend to discuss it on the S1 forum as well.

Billy

I totally get what you are saying.

Yes in a literal way the output routing is more limited, in effect however it isn't an issue as far as workflow goes.

Sure the tracks are not there directly linked to outs but this is a good thing for the possibility of re-assignment and reuse of independently assigned tracks.

The real flexibility comes however when you choose from the selection of what is available to bounce to tracks from the console, I just find it is easier to end up with exactly the stems I want on an audio track regardless of the route it took to me to get them there I guess.

Mesh

yorolpal


Maybe just a large central button in the middle of your iPad.  You press it and it generates a full blown pop song;

It all depends who's behind the console......

Jim Roseberry

Here is a video demonstrating a 6 channel sample mapped to an 8 channel output which itself has the 8 outputs assigned to 4 Stereo Outputs in Cubase: http://puretone.nl/flash/Kontakt_Routing.swf And basically it seems you just revealed why you had better performance in Sonar than Cubase: Massive operator error.

  Those output channel assignments in Kontakt are *not* routing the 8 channels to stereo outputs.

Let me break it down for you:
Kontakt has a total of 64 individual plugin output channels.
What you're doing in the video is simply assigning the 8-channel instrument (outputs) to 8 of those 64 plugin output channels.

So... of course you can route any instrument channel to any of those 64 plugin output channels.

The problem with Cubase 5 (unless it's been changed since version 5.0 release) is that Cubase assumes those 8 channel Kontakt outputs are surround (and Cubase only supports 6 channels of surround).
Period. 

If this has been changed in v5.5... then I am wrong.  But as of the 5.0 release, Cubase was completely inflexible in this regard.  Kontakt 4.13 has no means of routing multi-channel samples (internally) to stereo outputs.

Note: Independence Pro can route multi-channel audio files (internally) to stereo outputs.

Regarding the disk-streaming assumption on your part...