JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
Since I have had Sonar Studio X2 for as little as a month, I have had consistently run into problems with each time I use the product just gets me so frustrated - I would expect that at least there is some sort of warranty support period to get me up and running or I can return the serial numbers and get my money back - or if the fix is to upgrade to X3 Studio then I should at least get consideration to a discount. Its just wrong to expect new customers to deal with software that doesn't work well and it works better in a more recent released version while I only purchased the supposedly "old" software little than a month ago... Those that say "oh but in the Software industry, blah blah blah" I'm telling you your WRONG! Anyway I want to see what I can do to upgrade existing Sonar X2 Studio version to Sonar X3 studio, its the only way I'll remain loyal to this. So when I try contacting, I get this error:
Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found. Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly. Requested URL: /support/contact/csr.aspx
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:4.0.30319; ASP.NET Version:4.0.30319.272 Not so happy :( Jim
|
markyzno
Max Output Level: -66 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1216
- Joined: 2011/02/08 06:40:20
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 05:28:11
(permalink)
The first thing to do is to list your system specs so we can help you get up and running here. I'm sorry that you feel let down but as with all software companies, when there is a huge sale (i.e picking up on Cakewalks recent sale prices) Then you should know that theres a new release on the horizon. All music production companies behave in this way. I still think that the small price you paid in the sale for X2 studio on top of the upgrade price for X3 is value for money. Anyway, please post up your system specs, theres PLENTY of lovely and helpful people on here to help you out.
Sonar Platinum 64 bit > Pro tools 10.3.2 >Intel i7 3770K > 16Gb Ram > Gigabyte Z77-D3H Motherboard> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB > ATi RADEON HD5700 > 240GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD> Win 10 home 64 bit> Delta 1010 > MOTU Audio Express > MA-15D's > NI Ultimate 9 > NI Kontrol S61 1.1 > NI MAschine Studio 2.3 / KORG MS-20 Mini - Arturia MicroBrute > KORG SQ1 - KORG Kaoss Pad KP3 > iPad and IO Dock 2 running various bits > Bunch of guitars >Sound Design on IMDB --
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 06:05:02
(permalink)
markyzno The first thing to do is to list your system specs so we can help you get up and running here. I'm sorry that you feel let down but as with all software companies, when there is a huge sale (i.e picking up on Cakewalks recent sale prices) Then you should know that theres a new release on the horizon. All music production companies behave in this way. I still think that the small price you paid in the sale for X2 studio on top of the upgrade price for X3 is value for money. Anyway, please post up your system specs, theres PLENTY of lovely and helpful people on here to help you out.
Excuse me but I did n't pay a small price - what "sale" are you referring too? I payed $149 for upgrade from registered user to X2 Studio - which BTW is the same for X3 now... I've uninstalled everything now and will re-install soon - hopefully to see if I can get the sonar software to be a lot more stable... EDIT: I've uninstalled because I had Sonar X1 LE installed as well along with some of the software that came with scarlette (Abalton and some other software)
|
mudgel
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 12010
- Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
- Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 06:09:39
(permalink)
If you asked some questions you'd find out that there is more to uninstalling sonar than just using the Control panel uninstall program/features or sonars own uninstaller. If your installation was corrupted in some way then it's usually because of a corrupted Registry entry, this entails a registry edit or 2
Mike V. (MUDGEL) STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64, PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz. Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2. Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub. Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX. Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor. Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 06:11:39
(permalink)
mudgel If you asked some questions you'd find out that there is more to uninstalling sonar than just using the Control panel uninstall program/features or sonars own uninstaller. If your installation was corrupted in some way then it's usually because of a corrupted Registry entry, this entails a registry edit or 2
Ok cool - please share with me what registry keys to look at and how I can uninstall sonar (clean) from the system before I attempt to re-install...
|
mudgel
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 12010
- Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
- Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 06:34:57
(permalink)
1. Use the uninstall utility. Either sonars or Windows/control panel/ uninstall programs or features 2. Start -> Run... -> "regedit" 3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 - delete the X2 key. 4. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 - delete the X2 key.
Attention: I have Sonar Producer so after that entry in the keys I have the various Sonar Producer versions like X1, X2 etc. I would only delete the key for the version I was uninstalling. In your case you said you only have Sonar Studio\X2 so it should be safe to select the whole Sonar Studio key in both locations
Should be enough to clean Sonar out.
Mike V. (MUDGEL) STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64, PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz. Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2. Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub. Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX. Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor. Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
|
mudgel
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 12010
- Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
- Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 06:36:02
(permalink)
Don't forget to backup your registry.
If you're not sure ask before you do it. I'm still around on the forum for another hour or so.
Mike V. (MUDGEL) STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64, PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz. Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2. Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub. Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX. Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor. Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 07:06:39
(permalink)
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 07:14:15
(permalink)
mudgel 1. Use the uninstall utility. Either sonars or Windows/control panel/ uninstall programs or features 2. Start -> Run... -> "regedit" 3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 - delete the X2 key. 4. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 - delete the X2 key.
Attention: I have Sonar Producer so after that entry in the keys I have the various Sonar Producer versions like X1, X2 etc. I would only delete the key for the version I was uninstalling. In your case you said you only have Sonar Studio\X2 so it should be safe to select the whole Sonar Studio key in both locations
Should be enough to clean Sonar out.
OK Thanks for that - I searched deeper and found even after uninstalling all the cakewalk software from my system (successfully) there was still about 2GB of files under the c:\Program Files\Cakewalk and c:\Program Files (X86)\Cakewalk directories - so deleted these. Also found under registry the WOW64 subtree there was Cakewalk Music Software tree as well, renamed this to include .old extension... I uninstalled the software and drivers that came with focusrite too (I just noticed there is a focusrite driver update 2.5.1 which is new).. So not even the uninstall works properly in sonar software - man!!! Quality folks! Have also emailed cakewalk support to provide any other details that may have been missed and some guides for clean install.. Thanks all, hopefully all goes well for me on clean install - if not - then I give up on sonar and cakewalk and who ever takes over them next... jim
|
mudgel
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 12010
- Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
- Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 07:42:53
(permalink)
The uninstaller works fine but the most common cause for installation errors is registry corruption and if the keys appear the same they are not over written. Blame windows for that one.
As to the extra content, you found, it's irrelevant to the operation of Sonar and is over written during a new installation.
The keys I gave you are the typical problem areas. I wasn't sure how clued up you were with registry hacks so didn't want to overload you with more than necessary. But yes getting rid of every trace when you only have 1 Sonar install is a good idea. For many of us we have multiple version coexisting. Eg I have 8, 8.5, X1, X2 and now X3.
Don't give up on Sonar. Despite the problems you're having by and large most issues are down to a conflict of Sonar and specific hardware/software interactions. Believe me I've been troubleshooting Cakewalk and other software for decades.
All the best.
Mike V. (MUDGEL) STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64, PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz. Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2. Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub. Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX. Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor. Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
|
robert_e_bone
Moderator
- Total Posts : 8968
- Joined: 2007/12/26 22:09:28
- Location: Palatine, IL
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 08:49:06
(permalink)
There is also a likelihood of a folder in your application data folder that you will want to look for and delete, if present. The path will be C:\Users\(your user name)\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk If you are running Windows with the default setting of hiding hidden files/folders, which is fine, you will not see this one, but if you copy the above path and paste it into Windows Explorer, then replace the '(your user name)' with your user name and hit Enter, it will still find the folder. Within that folder, you want to look for a sub-folder for the version you are trying to do a clean removal for, and if present then delete it. So if I wanted to get rid of Sonar X2 from my system, the sub-folder I would be looking for would be: SONAR X2 Producer. A GREAT many issues can be resolved by posting a separate thread for each issue, and giving the rest of us in the community forum the opportunity to assist you in getting your issues fixed. This forum is chock full of folks who will bend over backwards to help you, myself included, so please: 1. Complete the removal of your other installation by deleting those registry keys per the other post 2. Perform the search/delete per my post here 3. Install Sonar again, making sure to follow the published installation instructions (Run As Administrator, temporarily suspend antivirus software, etc) 4. Begin documenting each issue you are having, and then create 1 new thread for each separate issue you have with running Sonar, including as much relevant detail as you can, and we will get to work helping you get past your posted issues. Please do one more thing, PRIOR to posting the threads with your issues. It is VERY helpful for us in the forum community to see your system specs, so that we can better understand your system - this helps us diagnose issues. To do this, look at the bottom of my post, and perhaps specs from a couple of other folks, to get an idea of the kind of specs we list. Then, at the top of the forum page, click on User Control Panel and add your specs to your Signature tab. Make sure you also check the box for the option that tells the forum software to Always Attach Signature to Post. After doing the above, we will see your specs listed every time you post, and it will make things easier for us to help you, which will get your issues resolved quicker. Please give us a chance to help you, Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 09:19:31
(permalink)
someone probably should have posted this instead. (copy/paste this to a text file and save it for later use) For a clean installation of SONAR X2 please try the following:PRE-uninstall) Disable your Anti-Virus: this means all sheilds, most AV can be disabled right from the taskbar/notifications area by right clicking on your AV icon / disable permanently (this isnt actually permanently/See: *Important note). *Important to note- your Anti virus will not be disabled after your computer re-boots because it is set to start up in services. 1) Completely un-install SONAR from your computer. This is normally done from Start | Programs | Cakewalk. This will not remove any of your project files or audio data. 2) Next you will want to open the Run Command a) In Windows Vista and 7 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘R’ b) In Windows 8 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘R’ the typing in CMD in the message box/press enter. 3) At the prompt type regedit and click OK. ***Backup your Registry before making edits - you do this by clicking the File menu, Export Registry File. 4) Now delete the following Registry keys: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 *Please note that this will remove any effects presets and key bindings you may have made in Cakewalk. You can back these up separately if you like, using Options|Key Bindings, Tools|SONAR Plug-in Manager, and Options|Colors. Hit F1 in these views for detailed instructions on how to do this. *go to C/Cakewalk content/SONAR X2 Producer.(the SONAR X2 Producer folder has all your track templates, Cal scripts, project templetes, pro channel presets and other things you might want to look at before reinstalling incase you want to back those up. 5) Open the 'Run' command again. 6) Copy and paste the following into the prompt: %appdata%\Cakewalk. 7) This will open your Cakewalk Application Data folder, right-click on the SONAR folder and choose rename. 8) Rename this folder SONAR X2 Backup. 9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. 11) Then reinstall SONAR. Make sure to have any virus scanners disabled on installation. It is not required or recommended to turn off any windows services.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 09:33:49
(permalink)
With all due respect to Cakewalk, I think it's a really bad idea for a company to recommend editing the Windows Registry to the end user, especially for something as simple as an uninstall. Is there any reason for this, other than not having programmed it into the uninstaller? There was another recommendation to edit the registry in order to change note selection behavior in the piano roll view, what gives?
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 10:58:34
(permalink)
Sanderxpander With all due respect to Cakewalk, I think it's a really bad idea for a company to recommend editing the Windows Registry to the end user, especially for something as simple as an uninstall. Is there any reason for this, other than not having programmed it into the uninstaller? There was another recommendation to edit the registry in order to change note selection behavior in the piano roll view, what gives?
with all due respect every software leaves behind traces of files in the registry which leads to corruption. cakewalk is suggesting the best possible way to re install sonar. not for nothing but I can see you haven't had too much experience with re installing software in general ? this is very typical for all software not just sonar. please do a Google search.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
lawp
Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1154
- Joined: 2012/06/28 13:27:41
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 11:26:30
(permalink)
well not every software but many do; it would make sense to have this regedit stuff in the knowledge base and ideally a downloadable script or batch file, rather than having to find the information in a user forum
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 11:42:27
(permalink)
chuckebaby
SanderxpanderWith all due respect to Cakewalk, I think it's a really bad idea for a company to recommend editing the Windows Registry to the end user, especially for something as simple as an uninstall. Is there any reason for this, other than not having programmed it into the uninstaller? There was another recommendation to edit the registry in order to change note selection behavior in the piano roll view, what gives?
with all due respect every software leaves behind traces of files in the registry which leads to corruption.cakewalk is suggesting the best possible way to re install sonar.not for nothing but I can see you haven't had too much experience with re installing software in general ? this is very typical for all software not just sonar.please do a Google search.
You assume a lot, but I won't rise to the bait any further in that respect. Your argument is entirely self-defeating though. Firstly, not only is there a fallacy in assuming that just because a lot of software leaves behind useless registry keys after uninstalling, it's ok to do so. In fact, you yourself said it can "lead to corruption". Secondly, it does not follow that it's a good idea to send people into regedit just because the uninstall procedure is a bit sloppy. You can screw up a LOT more than your Sonar preferences with regedit, and though people are recommended to make a backup of their registry (ever wonder why?) most of them wouldn't know what to do if they accidentally deleted or altered a vital key and created a boot problem. And this is just for an uninstall procedure - in another thread someone quoted the reference guide suggesting to go into the registry just to alter note selection behavior. Why is this behavior not in a preferences window, or even an INI file? I stand by my statement that in my opinion, it's a bad idea to send the average end user into the registry for common standard procedures such as reinstalling, uninstalling or changing basic software preferences.
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 14:30:07
(permalink)
you cant program a removal of floating reg edits of this sort, sure most of the reg edits are removed with the sonar install but these values are for people who install in other places than recommended by sonars install IE.custom installs) no one can predict that. it just seemed as if you had a problem with the uninstall, like it wasn't competent or something ? or missing something. you read on another thread about editing the reg for note placement in the prv because that's the way users choose to work, to make mod's.. not because there is anything wrong with it. I myself never edit the reg..UNLESS its for uninstalls, I don't want stray reg files hanging around corrupting future installs while I can take them out (yes only 2 of of them) rather than chance a reg cleaner software that deletes what it thinks I want gone. just sounds like you were knockin it, like there is something wrong with it. every software leaves files left over in the reg, that's why people use things like c cleaner, I only c cleaner for junk files, not reg clean.
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 16:03:28
(permalink)
These keys aren't "floating at all" and of course you can program an automatic removal. So I am knocking it, in the sense that if this is a standard operation to secure a clean install, it should be part of the uninstall process. Or otherwise it should be available as a separate tool. E.g. Korg has a midi driver removal utility that completely removes all drivers and registry keys of their midi devices, and also allows you to clean up left over registry references of other midi devices still left on your system. Very useful if you run into Windows' midi device limit, and no chance at all of messing up our registry. The worst you could possibly do is uninstall one midi driver too many.
You know as well as I do that you can seriously screw up your computer if you mess up in the registry. The fact that you and I are smart enough to edit safely doesn't mean it's a good idea to send the average end-user in with little to no knowledge. The average producer or musician is not an IT specialist and is completely unable to even realize what he could screw up, let alone how to fix it.
|
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 16:50:50
(permalink)
The page fail trying to direct you to support has been resolved. Our redirect was broken. I'm sorry for the confusion on that. :/ In all fairness to Cakewalk, who from Cakewalk recommended you dive into your registry to fix this problem? Unless I'm missing it, I'm not sure we've even discussed what problems you're running into. Perhaps that might be a better place to start versus starting from the last resort? Keep in mind that "Clean Installation" steps are always provided with great care when we assist customers with this directly. This is not part of the normal process and it is not usually required. It might not even be required in this case but I don't know the extend of the issues you're running into. The installer/uninstaller we use is pretty standard (probably one of the most common ones in Windows actually). Honestly I hate discussing registry keys with customers, so you're preaching to the choir. It's a very sensitive area. Technically whether it's possible to do it or not, the problem with wiping all keys on an uninstaller is that a lot of components are shared across multiple versions of SONAR, so to wipe the keys on an uninstall means that you would have to always start over from scratch. So if you upgraded and then removed your older version, you'd be wiping out references to things you wish you hadn't. Any custom settings made to things like the Plug-in Manager would be erased. It would create more problems then it would solve. Either way, removing shared registry keys is frowned upon by Microsoft and will prevent official certification.
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 16:55:31
(permalink)
Thanks Charlie, I also found files left behind after a "successful" uninstallation under C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\ and duplicate copy of the registry entries under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Cakewalk Music Software\ - you may want to add this to the uninstallation steps you posted. It'll be nice if X2 had an option in the uninstall steps to completely uninstall clean from system... Maybe something for your R&D to consider in X2b chuckebaby someone probably should have posted this instead. (copy/paste this to a text file and save it for later use) For a clean installation of SONAR X2 please try the following: PRE-uninstall) Disable your Anti-Virus: this means all sheilds, most AV can be disabled right from the taskbar/notifications area by right clicking on your AV icon / disable permanently (this isnt actually permanently/See: *Important note). *Important to note- your Anti virus will not be disabled after your computer re-boots because it is set to start up in services. 1) Completely un-install SONAR from your computer. This is normally done from Start | Programs | Cakewalk. This will not remove any of your project files or audio data. 2) Next you will want to open the Run Command a) In Windows Vista and 7 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘R’ b) In Windows 8 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘R’ the typing in CMD in the message box/press enter. 3) At the prompt type regedit and click OK. ***Backup your Registry before making edits - you do this by clicking the File menu, Export Registry File. 4) Now delete the following Registry keys: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 *Please note that this will remove any effects presets and key bindings you may have made in Cakewalk. You can back these up separately if you like, using Options|Key Bindings, Tools|SONAR Plug-in Manager, and Options|Colors. Hit F1 in these views for detailed instructions on how to do this. *go to C/Cakewalk content/SONAR X2 Producer.(the SONAR X2 Producer folder has all your track templates, Cal scripts, project templetes, pro channel presets and other things you might want to look at before reinstalling incase you want to back those up. 5) Open the 'Run' command again. 6) Copy and paste the following into the prompt: %appdata%\Cakewalk. 7) This will open your Cakewalk Application Data folder, right-click on the SONAR folder and choose rename. 8) Rename this folder SONAR X2 Backup. 9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. 11) Then reinstall SONAR. Make sure to have any virus scanners disabled on installation. It is not required or recommended to turn off any windows services.
|
joakes
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 905
- Joined: 2006/12/05 15:51:24
- Location: 465 Km South West of Paris
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 17:12:36
(permalink)
I agree with Charlie - the registry needs cleaning up after ANY big software un-install, the operative word being big, like Sonar, Office, Visual Studio etc.
FYI, ever tried un-installing Office just by using its Un-installer ? It leaves many registry strings a-gogo behind.
One thing i would add to Charlie' s reco is to use a safe registry cleaner such as Ccleaner ( i run it after every install and un-install, never had a problem since it came out).
THEN you'll have a relatively healthy registry.
Each to his own, editing or rather cleaning the registry is not such a traumatic experience as its made out to be, there are multiple tutorials from reputable mags, sites etc out there.
But this is only my opinion !
Cheers, Jerry
Built by yours truely : I7-2600@3.4GHz, Asus P67Z68, W10x64 Creator Edition, 32GB RAM, 3 HD's, nVidia 760 GT, Focusrite 18i20 2,d Gen + Ti FW, Oxygen 61 iv Gen, and Edirol SD-20 (yes it works), CbB, Teles, Strats, LP's, Epi Riviera, etc
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 18:00:12
(permalink)
Whatever a user does to keep his system running smoothly is all fine by me. I just object to registry diving being in the reference guide as part of regular procedure (silently?) endorsed by Cake. Ryan has put my mind at ease somewhat in that respect, though. I would still prefer an option during uninstall, perhaps under advanced and with a clear warning, that lets you remove all Cakewalk Registry Keys. The worst you could do with that is lose Cakewalk Preferences if you screw up. I also don't understand why Sonar Producer X2 specific keys are shared by Sonar Producer X3, but I'll take Ryan's word for that.
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 18:41:49
(permalink)
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] The page fail trying to direct you to support has been resolved. Our redirect was broken. I'm sorry for the confusion on that. :/
thanks,.. In all fairness to Cakewalk, who from Cakewalk recommended you dive into your registry to fix this problem? Unless I'm missing it, I'm not sure we've even discussed what problems you're running into. Perhaps that might be a better place to start versus starting from the last resort?
I'm finding each time I used sonar come across irritating issues - albeit I'm new to this - manly latency, if not latency the application crashes, inconsistent playback/recording - sometimes recording to audio track doesn't work while I can see I have armed the track and sound is clearly visible in the level, nothing gets recorded. Times where I exit from sonar and then later start and open the last saved project, playback/record settings have all changed under the audio driver section. There's other silly things that happen,... Keep in mind that "Clean Installation" steps are always provided with great care when we assist customers with this directly. This is not part of the normal process and it is not usually required. It might not even be required in this case but I don't know the extend of the issues you're running into. The installer/uninstaller we use is pretty standard (probably one of the most common ones in Windows actually). Honestly I hate discussing registry keys with customers, so you're preaching to the choir. It's a very sensitive area.
Now, because I have installed Music Creator, Sonar X1 LE and other 3rd party software along with finally sonar X2 and X2a - I have decided to perform a clean install to see if I can get some consistency and stability,... I've reinstalled and surprised all my previous settings are saved - so I've again uninstalled and cleaned up manually all areas of cakewalk files and settings including shared areas... Technically whether it's possible to do it or not, the problem with wiping all keys on an uninstaller is that a lot of components are shared across multiple versions of SONAR, so to wipe the keys on an uninstall means that you would have to always start over from scratch. So if you upgraded and then removed your older version, you'd be wiping out references to things you wish you hadn't. Any custom settings made to things like the Plug-in Manager would be erased. It would create more problems then it would solve.
TBH I suspect my problem is a certain percentage user error, (but then again though shouldn't cause application exceptions). Most importantly though the mix of devices I have such as Samson G-Track uses MME 32 and focusrite uses ASIO, and to through in the Samson Graphite 49 control surface, changing between these modes (MME and ASIO and WDM, etc,..) seems like Sonar can't handle it too well - in fact not well at all is what I've unfortunately experienced. Either way, removing shared registry keys is frowned upon by Microsoft and will prevent official certification.
hmmm, that's debatable... depends on the context - I wouldn't think removing Cakewalk registry keys would officially affect certifications your referring to. My original post here was really to try and get to contact Sales assistant in choosing the right product for me and to see if I could be considered for a "better" deal as I have only had Sonar X2 Studio for about 1 month and 1 week and have each time had problems with it, which I see is buggy and the fact that these bugs won't be addressed by any further updates to X2a. I would think this is in a way fair; if I do pay the full upgrade price for X3 that it could be for Producer version or optionally pay for a special upgrade price of my existing X2 Studio to X3 Studio or to secure a full refund for an upgrade price from Sonar X1 LE or Music Creator 6 Touch to Sonar X3 Studio or Producer since all the fuss is about X3 now anyway... Thanks for your help - I'll be re-installing X2 again to see if a fresh clean install without all the other noisy products previously installed make any difference. Kind Regards Jim
|
stevec
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 11546
- Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54
- Location: Parkesburg, PA
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 19:02:12
(permalink)
JimmyBoy ...I'll be re-installing X2 again to see if a fresh clean install without all the other noisy products previously installed make any difference.
That is absolutely what I would recommend. Start with the minimum possible hardware and software, verify that works, then proceed to build on it.
SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries
|
mettelus
Max Output Level: -22 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5321
- Joined: 2005/08/05 03:19:25
- Location: Maryland, USA
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 19:27:56
(permalink)
Sanderxpander By the way I'm assuming you have seen this and don't qualify? http://www.cakewalk.com/p...-free-SONAR-X3-Upgrade
Jim, I wanted to make sure you saw this post. You should qualify for a free X3 upgrade based on the date of your upgrade to X2. In all of the sidetracking of this thread, I (personally) would skip a re-install of X2 and jump right into X3. My personal experience with X2 was the worst of any SONAR edition (4, 5, 7, X1, X2, X3). Michael
ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero (Wi-Fi AC), i7-8700k, 16GB RAM, GTX-1070Ti, Win 10 Pro, Saffire PRO 24 DSP, A-300 PRO, plus numerous gadgets and gizmos that make or manipulate sound in some way.
|
robert_e_bone
Moderator
- Total Posts : 8968
- Joined: 2007/12/26 22:09:28
- Location: Palatine, IL
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/05 20:37:19
(permalink)
I am not sure V-Vocal comes with X3 or not, but for sure you can get it with X2 install. Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/06 01:20:59
(permalink)
mettelus
Sanderxpander By the way I'm assuming you have seen this and don't qualify? http://www.cakewalk.com/p...-free-SONAR-X3-Upgrade
Jim, I wanted to make sure you saw this post. You should qualify for a free X3 upgrade based on the date of your upgrade to X2. In all of the sidetracking of this thread, I (personally) would skip a re-install of X2 and jump right into X3. My personal experience with X2 was the worst of any SONAR edition (4, 5, 7, X1, X2, X3). Michael
Hi Michael, I don't qualify - interesting though as I don't see any difference between retail and the online store except for the fact you get the box NOTE: SONAR X2 Upgrades purchased via the Cakewalk Store do not qualify for a free SONAR X3 upgrade.
|
Sanderxpander
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3873
- Joined: 2013/09/30 10:08:24
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/06 02:50:37
(permalink)
It says upgrades. Didn't you say you got a full version? I may have misremembered.
|
JimmyBoy
Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
- Total Posts : 387
- Joined: 2013/08/31 21:03:38
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/07 06:37:34
(permalink)
Sanderxpander It says upgrades. Didn't you say you got a full version? I may have misremembered.
Upgrade or full version why should there be a difference, I would expect patching to continue for any previous version for at "least" a year after the new version was released, in fact I know that other software vendors support the current version including one previous version, in some cases support 2 to 3 previous versions - why should anyone have to purchase another upgrade within the year they purchased an upgrade so to stabilize the version they've only just purchased, (in my case just over a month ago)? Anyway, I've re-installed x2 and x2a clean, I haven't yet connected Samson devices (graphite 49 control surface/midi keyboard and G-Track) but using the Scarlette 2i4 with success. I want to stay away from using MME mode on my notebook as latency is terrible and the G-track seems only to work with MME. I've tried WDM which I would have thought would be best since windows 8 is supposedly improved - however I think ASIO for the scarlette is working much better than using WDM...
|
stevec
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 11546
- Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54
- Location: Parkesburg, PA
- Status: offline
Re: Trying to email customer service to see what I can do,..
2013/10/07 11:50:14
(permalink)
JimmyBoy ...Anyway, I've re-installed x2 and x2a clean, I haven't yet connected Samson devices (graphite 49 control surface/midi keyboard and G-Track) but using the Scarlette 2i4 with success. I want to stay away from using MME mode on my notebook as latency is terrible and the G-track seems only to work with MME. I've tried WDM which I would have thought would be best since windows 8 is supposedly improved - however I think ASIO for the scarlette is working much better than using WDM...
Good to hear you've got X2a up and running! I'm not familair with the Samson gear, but it sounds as though it may have been part of the problem before. Regarding the Focusrite, though the WDM drivers work OK I've found the ASIO drivers to be a little more consistent/stable with my 18i6, running on Win7 64. I'd personally recommend sticking with those for now. FWIW, while the project is in its beginning stages I can keep latency all the way at the low end around 2ms, but even under heavier loads (usually while mixing) I've never had to go much higher than 20ms. This is on a Q9300 so certainly not a high-end system by any means. My only other recommendation would be to watch for X3 sales as the holidays approach.
SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries
|