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2015/06/19 21:53:36 (permalink)

Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat

What consoles are they modeled after?
S-Type?
N-Type?
A-Type?
 
 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/19 22:13:28 (permalink)
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/19 22:14:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2015/06/19 22:44:09
When I select a knob in any of the console emulations, and press "F1" I get all the info I need.
 
Which is where I got this:
 
 
 
 Mode. Selects the desired console emulation mode. For each mode, the Console Emulator module closely resembles the hardware it is modeled after.

 
S-Type. Emulates a clean and transparent British console that is popular among mixing engineers in rock and pop genres. This console has potentially been used on more platinum selling albums than all other consoles combined.

 
N-Type. Emulates a British console that is used in legendary recording studios, including Abbey Road, The Village, Ocean Way, and Skywalker Sound. This console is warm and has a rich low end.

 
A-Type. Emulates a revolutionary British console, of which only 13 consoles were ever built. This console was made famous at Trident Studios and Cherokee Studios. This console has a brighter top and less lows than the N-Type console. Some consider this best sounding console of all time.

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/19 22:28:05 (permalink)
Thanks Folks! I think you are both saying the same thing :)
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/19 22:35:13 (permalink)
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Thanks Folks! I think you are both saying the same thing :)





Yep, In different ways!!
 
I was typing a longer response. Craig took the easy way out!! :)

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/19 23:57:50 (permalink)
...and Grem was more educational...

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 12:38:44 (permalink)
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...and Grem was more educational...


Yes, and I had no idea you could click on things and hit F1 for great info about them.
Though I prefer the one word, easy to remember replies. :)
 
 
 
 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 13:29:54 (permalink)
Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?

 
 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 14:08:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/06/20 15:18:52
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?

 
The British version of Sonar features all U.S.-made console emulations: Peavey, Carvin and Mackie. A lot of Brit engineers are using grey market U.S. versions, however.
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 15:44:26 (permalink)
Any idea if the S Plat Tape Emulator module is based on any specific real tape recorder? 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 16:19:57 (permalink)
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?




Now that you mention it, I can't think of any American stuff that guys are looking to retro fit into their studios. It's always Neve, SSL and such. Even repro stuff is usually modelled after classics from the UK. What did they have in Sound City? (Fairfax). There was some cool American outboard gear to be sure.

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 20:04:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2015/06/22 04:34:57
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?



Unfortunately, this is due to a very short-sighted design decision by Cakewalk's engineers. The Console Emulator is wired only for 220V. They tried emulating a Harrison console, but the CE blew up and started smoking. Not a good user experience, to say the least. 
 
Noel is investigating a step-down transformer for the CE, as well as a suitable physical adapter for the plug, but the step-down transformer adds so much weight to SONAR's boxed version it won't be able to be sold in stores any more.

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/20 20:22:43 (permalink)
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?




You don't want second best do you ?
 
Laney, Marshall, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Th Who . . . and on and on it goes.
 
And America is just a colony of England/GB/UK anyway, just beginers really, new kids on the block
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?



Unfortunately, this is due to a very short-sighted design decision by Cakewalk's engineers. The Console Emulator is wired only for 220V. They tried emulating a Harrison console, but the CE blew up and started smoking. Not a good user experience, to say the least. 
 
Noel is investigating a step-down transformer for the CE, as well as a suitable physical adapter for the plug, but the step-down transformer adds so much weight to SONAR's boxed version it won't be able to be sold in stores any more.

Could have got us to test in Australia as we're 240v. Though in some of the country areas where long power lines run pumped up to 55k volts the step down often results in upto 240+/- 12% can sure blow those delicate op amps when 270 volts hits them.

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 07:47:10 (permalink)
UK is 240 too, 220V is the continent.
 

 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 08:10:40 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, this is due to a very short-sighted design decision by Cakewalk's engineers. The Console Emulator is wired only for 220V. They tried emulating a Harrison console, but the CE blew up and started smoking. Not a good user experience, to say the least. 
 
Noel is investigating a step-down transformer for the CE, as well as a suitable physical adapter for the plug, but the step-down transformer adds so much weight to SONAR's boxed version it won't be able to be sold in stores any more.


Could I use external converters instead, via insert external eff, hardware style? 
But looking forwards to the internal converter Weight no problem

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 08:10:59 (permalink)
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 08:23:24 (permalink)
I am sorry! It was intended as a joke from my side as well

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 11:16:32 (permalink)
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?




You don't want second best do you ?
 
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And America is just a colony of England/GB/UK anyway, just beginers really, new kids on the block




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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/21 13:04:41 (permalink)
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UK is 240 too, 220V is the continent.


Kind of. Officially the entire EU is meant, by treaty, to move towards a harmonised single EU standard in lots of technical fields. Mains supply voltages being one, the idea being that if something works in one member state it will work in all. However, because replacing every electrical item in the EU would be both expensive and impractical and there's no technical reason to do it the Directive that implements the treaty allows for quite a bit of leeway when member states draw up their mains supply laws.

So the current law in the UK says that delivered mains voltage must be at 230V with a leeway of between +/-10%. Which conveniently means nothing in the UK has to change. The other EU member states have their own laws with similar leeway to mean they actually have to change nothing. This is one reason why e.g. laptop, synth and effects power supplies are generally switched mode, unlike a transformer circuit the switched mode can supply the same output over a big range of mains voltages and what works in the UK will therefore also work in e.g. Germany (plug differences apart).

The household voltage we get tends to be around 235-242V, which is pretty much what it was when we moved here 30 years ago.

(this post provided by TriviaRus).
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 02:13:32 (permalink)
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I'm just gettin started!


 
Pretty poor start then . . .
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 04:22:13 (permalink)
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?

 
The British version of Sonar features all U.S.-made console emulations: Peavey, Carvin and Mackie. A lot of Brit engineers are using grey market U.S. versions, however.


Not anymore. Current legislation is that Sonar in Europe can only support EU equivalents.
 
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 04:46:53 (permalink)
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UK is 240 too, 220V is the continent.
 

Actually, Europe (incl. UK) is harmonised on a standard of 230V +10% -6%. This was "cleverly" contrived to embrace the former European 220V and the former UK 240V. In other words, nothing really changed, so UK equipment may run a little cooler on mainland Europe and vice versa. Sorry to split hairs, but when someone wants 199USD for a painstakingly engineered virtual replica of the vintage power transformer that was used on all of the hits that came out of BS Studios, I'll be wanting assurance that this heating effect has been correctly modelled, depending upon whether BS Studios was in Cricklewood or Berlin.
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 04:50:46 (permalink)
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The household voltage we get tends to be around 235-242V, which is pretty much what it was when we moved here 30 years ago.

(this post provided by TriviaRus).

 Sorry for duplicating your Tech-No-Trivia. FWIW, here in the English countryside our voltage moves sharply between 230V and 0V depending upon how recently a tree was blown through the overhead lines.
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 11:26:13 (permalink)
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I'm just gettin started!


 
Pretty poor start then . . .
"Beach Boy's, Mountain" . . . , lol . . . Now I know you're joking . . . 




Tell that to the Beatles. Ever hear of an album called "Pet Sounds"?
 
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Pet Sounds is the eleventh studio album by the American rock band the Beach Boys. Released on May 16, 1966, it initially met a lukewarm critical and commercial reception in the United States, but received immediate success abroad, where British publications declared it "the most progressive pop album ever". It charted at number two in the UK but number ten in the US, a significantly lower placement than the band's preceding albums.[1] In later years, the album garnered enormous worldwide acclaim by critics and musicians alike, and is regarded as one of the most influential pieces in the history of popular music.
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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 12:26:31 (permalink)
The Beach Boys...

For a number of years they recorded in their own studio which had a console built by a company called Clover... I know as I owned one of very few other boards made by them... Mine was much smaller and owned by the band Bread...

Wonderful sounding console, but not as warm and beefy as a Neve...

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 16:54:33 (permalink)
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Noob question. So how come the  emulations are all Brit? Did 'Merica fall sleep at the wheel?

 
The British version of Sonar features all U.S.-made console emulations: Peavey, Carvin and Mackie. A lot of Brit engineers are using grey market U.S. versions, however.




I see what you did there...

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 18:47:54 (permalink)
Ah - Beach Boys and Brian Wilson - my hero. It's incredible that Pet Sounds was recorded in four-track (I think the Beatles' Pepper was eight track?)
 
Keni - Was it the Clover equipment they had built in California, and then shipped piece-by-piece to Holland (Steve Desper being the engineer, I believe)?
 
 

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Re: Trying to figure out the difference in console emulations in S Plat 2015/06/22 19:20:58 (permalink)
Sgt Pepper, believe it or not, was recorded on Abbey Road's Studer J37 4-track recorders.

A couple of years later, in time for the White Album, it seems Abbey Rd had acquired some 8-track recorders. The story's a bit confused, but either the EMI technical dept., whose word was law, had witheld consent for anyone to use the 8-track until some modifications had been made. That, or George Martin, unknown to the band, had been offered one for the Beatle's use but after discussing it with the studio turned it down on the grounds he thought the band wouldn't be happy with it.

The Beatles pounced on one anyway while Martin was away and tried using it despite the technical dept. ruling they were not to be used in the studios yet.

It seems that one of the modifications EMI had identified the new recorder as needing was to add a separate sync amp, without which the Artifical Double Tracking ("flanging") that was characteristic of the later Beatle's work wasn't possible.

So The White Album was done in the end using a mix of 4 and 8 track desks, tracking through an EMI REDD console with a grand total of 8 inputs and 4 output busses.

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