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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/06 09:43:07
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Have you tried it Mike?
More importantly, do you find the work in the thesis to be accurate?
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/06 09:54:24
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/06 10:16:30
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Have you tried it Mike?
More importantly, do you find the work in the thesis to be accurate?
Brian
I haven't tried it, but I enjoyed reading about it. I am normally put off by the idea of make believe "tube modeling dsp", and would rather just see something described as "dsp", but I thought I'd pass along this link because this is one of the few times, apart from electrical engineering discussions, where I have seen a person substantiate the ideas and thoughts about how to model a tube circuit and I thought others might find it interesting as well.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/06 11:51:32
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mike_mccue
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Have you tried it Mike?
More importantly, do you find the work in the thesis to be accurate?
Brian
I haven't tried it, but I enjoyed reading about it.
I am normally put off by the idea of make believe "tube modeling dsp", and would rather just see something described as "dsp", but I thought I'd pass along this link because this is one of the few times, apart from electrical engineering discussions, where I have seen a person substantiate the ideas and thoughts about how to model a tube circuit and I thought others might find it interesting as well.
Gotcha. I enjoyed the read - without any engineering background, I was able to understand the reasoning behind why the theories involved would/should produce a decent representation. Thanks for the find. Brian
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/06 11:53:57
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/07 11:01:33
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mike_mccue
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Have you tried it Mike?
More importantly, do you find the work in the thesis to be accurate?
Brian
I haven't tried it, but I enjoyed reading about it.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/07 18:44:00
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mike_mccue
I am normally put off by the idea of make believe "tube modeling dsp", and would rather just see something described as "dsp"
A tube is just a make believe "analog modeled dsp". 
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 07:05:34
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I wish I read German better than I do. The webpage description isn't very deep. It reads like a basic primer for tube gain stage design, and doesn't really get in to the details.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 09:14:50
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I read German almost as well as I read English. Unfortunately I don't understand a word of what I'm reading  (in German..) The basic concept described in the English version is good enough to understand what he's trying to do, but a little more detail on why might have been nice.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 10:31:59
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/12/08 12:25:32
But does it make you wait two minutes before you can use it? Does the gain slowly decrease as the plugin ages until one day the virtual heater melts and it stops working altogether until you buy another one?
Or once a year you have to remove it and re-insert it because the virtual socket has become corroded? Really, if we're shooting for true "analog modeling"...
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 11:47:23
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 i use 2 if i need stereo
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 11:56:01
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I'd love to see the "model" of that...
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 12:02:25
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that ART unit, is just a solid state circuit, with some harmonic distortion added by a starved plate 12ax7.
not really a tube circuit at all.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 12:05:56
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/12/08 12:26:05
it's got a tube in it!! it lights up!! sounds, mm, warm :-P
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 14:56:30
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yep,.
LOL
warm = distortion
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 19:41:46
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Batsbrew is pretty much right. A Starved plate design is not a real tube pre. It's really an effect. If you want to hear the difference, borrow a Summit 2BA-221 or a UA-710 from someone and compare that to the starved plate design. You'll see they're more inline with what's sought after for tube pre's on a budget. The Tube pre's will have better definition and warmth in ways that make instruments and vocals sound better, not distort them to the point the imaging is shallow and smeared. I have two of the starved plate designs. They're good if you are not critical of the tube-y ness, but for a real depth and 3D image, they simply don't offer that.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 20:04:10
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"EQUIPMENT DOES NOT MATTER."™
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/08 22:42:14
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/09 07:43:44
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bapu
mike_mccue
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Were they talking about Cafe Colada?
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/09 08:20:37
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metallica would have been talking about money
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/09 12:04:08
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I miss tubes and the warmth they provide.
If I had more of them I could probably make do with one less space heater. Actually, what I really miss is summer. I need a summer emulator.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/09 12:35:48
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A lot of my solid state preamps run pretty hot too.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/26 23:35:28
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I just finally gave this thing a whirl, downloaded it back when the original post was made, just been going through and throwing out some of the stuff I download for no apparent reason, but I'll keep this, I quite like it, I usually use Studio Devil VTP if I want something like this, also http://www.shatteredglass...com/product.php?id=104 is quite good also if your after that type of thing
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/27 02:02:02
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Hey - THANKS for posting this, now that I know my ART Tube pre-amp isn't.
I downloaded it, and will give it a good workout in the morning. :)
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/27 05:27:05
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to tell you the truth , I don't know CWAP  about all the fancy talk or how to read a circuit …let alone read German one thing i do know is , on this plug , all the circles w a line and number underneath them means they can be adjusted to change the sound Kenny
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/27 05:52:43
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/27 12:25:11
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I can't get it to work with X3 and windows 8.1.
I copied the 64 bit dll to my 64 bit vst folder then opened Sonar and did a manual vst scan.
It gets stuck at the blue VST Scan window: "Scanning TubePreamp-64 v2.0.1.dll...".
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/27 18:52:29
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You can try downloading it again just in case your current copy of the file isn't 100%.
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Re: Tube Preamp
2014/12/28 14:41:12
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I was having the same issue.
I tried using the 32-bit version and that worked.
At one point the 64-bit version worked if I had both the 32 and 64-bit dll in the VST folder.
But, that quit working too.
So, I just gave up.
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