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2012/04/15 09:33:45 (permalink)

Tuning before Tracking

Wonder what everyone else does as a standard practice with guitars.

I find that its a necessity to check tuning before hitting [Record] every 3 or 4 takes. I leave my tuner up and on at all times when messing around in the studio. 

Good habit to check often or is it kind of a once a day thing for you?


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 09:58:03 (permalink)
Tune as much as you need Mike cause it is a real problem later when layering with synths and other guitar/bass parts!

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 10:16:12 (permalink)
I check tuning before every take although whether it's actually needed or not depends on the instrument. My bass is probably the worst offender but then it's due a re-string, in fact it's been due a re-string for the past 8 years.
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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 10:38:41 (permalink)
Karl, at least you don't hear finger noise on the strings at this point!

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 10:46:03 (permalink)
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Karl, at least you don't hear finger noise on the strings at this point!

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 11:41:56 (permalink)
Same here, Mike. I check the tuning every 3 or 4 takes.

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 12:25:07 (permalink)
All the time.

And beg everyone else to do it too.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 13:24:52 (permalink)
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All the time.

And beg everyone else to do it too.

Yeh this last band I worked with finally understood when they could hear themselfs go out of tune on their own in the mix.  I said "Yup, gotta check and check often if ya want it to turn out nicely"  


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 13:47:58 (permalink)
I tell people who haven't recorded much that the first year is going to be brutal.

Sometimes when someone asks "how's that sound"  the best I can muster is "accurate".

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 13:51:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
never play out of tune.

how's THAT for a rule!

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 14:02:21 (permalink)
Yep - every 3/4 takes, maybe more often if there's a lot of string bending involved.

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 15:02:20 (permalink)
I recorded and co-produced the one and only Billy Higgins (very famous jazz drummer) in my 16 track studio in L.A. a long time ago.  His bass player who was a popular pro was out of tune when we first started.  I had to tell him and he was not pleased with my comment.  He did tune up and that fixed the problem.  Back then, we did not have anything to fix that kind of issue in the mix!   

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 15:38:47 (permalink)
I'm doing mine practically every other take...I'm still learning as I go.

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/15 17:46:04 (permalink)
Every 3-4 takes, really?!?! You guys need some new strings or a new guitar... I'll tune at the start of a session, then maybe a half way point check, but that is just about always spot on. And it's only off if my strings aren't fully worn in or I did a major tune in at the start of the session.


Speaking of out of tune recordings, I have a rough demo/scratch track where the chorus is about 50 cents higher in key than the verse. The parts were recorded on different days with different guitars and I think I did one of the tuning buy ear cause I was lazy or something. I feels almost like your typical semi-tone key change, but not quite cause it's only half way there, haha. Fortunately, the recording is purely there for the purpose of writing down the song structure, so it doesn't really matter.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/16 11:45:25 (permalink)
My understanding is that it is good to use the same tuner on all the string instruments too (e.g., guitars and bass).

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/16 12:37:44 (permalink)
Good point T  


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/16 12:42:16 (permalink)
I remember MANY years ago in high school we all used the same tuner (the old rotary strobe tuner) to tune all the instruments the same.. I could see one being a little off from another turner really screwing with things.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/16 16:33:35 (permalink)
Yesterday I was tracking for a producer and we tuned for each part depending on the position of the part on the fretboard. This helped to make up for intonation problems.  
 
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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 11:21:56 (permalink)
It depends on a few variables.
If environmental conditions have changed radically, I watch it pretty close. This seems to be a bigger factor here in Fort Worth than it was in Denver.
If I am using new strings, I check every take. Although, I usually don't even try to record until a set of strings has had about a week to settle in.
Proper setup is also important. For instance, my Rogue resonator shipped with the strings and truss rod somewhat slack. and the machines were a little loose. It floated like crazy. Once I realized this, I tightened everything up, and it has become a very stable instrument.
It's good to check often, but if you have to make frequent adjustments, there may be an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 14:01:19 (permalink)
Check your tuning as often as you can stand it is the best answer. Reasonably speaking, I think I usually check it every 3 or 4 takes but that's because I set up my own guitars and they usually stay in tune pretty well. A lot of wild string bending or whammy action will usually require more frequent checks.
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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 14:24:01 (permalink)
Since I started learning the Neil Young collection, I find that tuning is hardly necessary at all.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 14:46:23 (permalink)
I do so much string bending and pulling with my type of playing that how often I tune is never a question. I tune on the fly while playing or bend a string back in tune several times a song.

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 18:11:35 (permalink)
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Yesterday I was tracking for a producer and we tuned for each part depending on the position of the part on the fretboard. This helped to make up for intonation problems.  
 
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How bad is the intonation on your guitar??? If you're within 3-4 cents, I don't see the point. No-ones gonna hear it.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/17 21:55:52 (permalink)
In fact I had just done the intonation on my guitar and it was very close while tuning single strings.
 
I'm pretty sure that I was hitting the string poorly in context with the chord.
 
I think that tuning to the chords of song in different areas of the neck is useful sometimes, though, especially if playing in an unfamiliar area.
 
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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/18 08:55:00 (permalink)
I can hear pitch very well. So when something is out of tune it normally stands out easily to me. I hate watching the talent shows on TV for that reason.... singers often are OOT. 

In the studio, I have several tuners.  Since there can often be a slight discrepancy of a few cents between tuners, I tend to use one tuner all the time.  I also checked it before using it by playing A-440 on my midi keyboard and making sure it is properly calibrated to that pitch.  

If I'm simply rehearsing a part or  jamming to figure out a part, I'm not so worried about accurate tuning. Close is OK for that as long as it doesn't make me cringe. 

When recording.... it has to be tuned and I will tune again as often as is necessary during the session. 




Intonation on the guitar neck: If the intonation is off, it should be adjusted properly. Having said that..... I played with a guitarist who was constantly playing out of tune.....and blamed it on his guitar. ( a real Fender Strat)  He mentioned that my SG always played in tune..... so we swapped guitars for one set one night.  

Yep... you guessed it. the Strat was perfectly in tune that whole set for me and the SG was horribly OOT for him.  It turned out to be our playing technique rather than the intonation of the guitars. The guitars were both set up properly for intonation. 

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/18 09:15:26 (permalink)
Good point Guitarhacker.  Not only does the guitar need to be in tune but the player has to play in tune also!

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/18 09:22:09 (permalink)
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Since I started learning the Neil Young collection, I find that tuning is hardly necessary at all.


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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/18 09:54:21 (permalink)
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Since I started learning the Neil Young collection, I find that tuning is hardly necessary at all.


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+1.... I love Neil Young's music. 

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/04/18 10:20:03 (permalink)
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Since I started learning the Neil Young collection, I find that tuning is hardly necessary at all.


Randy

+1.... I love Neil Young's music. 

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Re:Tuning before Tracking 2012/05/07 20:44:03 (permalink)
You can't really tune too much.
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