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Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme

I'm not sure why my other topic was locked here, but since I never had any intention of demeaning anyone or starting arguments, then please do not lock this topic.  It is in the proper area of the forum since these are songs I wish to share.  I'm not in the mood to go out into the world, learn music theory, and pursue a career in composing just yet.  I will only do so when I have my full pleasure back in life.  Therefore, I have made my "final words" here as a composer by sharing to you these songs I have made now despite my lack of musical knowledge and skill.  Also, I might of appeared to be bothering others, but that was not my intention at all.  I am just simply the cool calm intellectual type of person who explains even the most emotionally dramatic things in a cool calm mature intellectual manner.
 
Now I am a good person once you get to know me. All I want to do now is to just share my musical ideas anyway. I am taking the advice others have given me and will pursuing my dream in being a composer later on in life when or if I ever get my full pleasure back. However, it will be an awfully long time before I have acquired all the necessary knowledge and experience I need to perfect these tunes and songs I hear in my head. Therefore, this is the reason why I wish to share my music as it is now. 
 
Therefore, please do not have any more scorn/lock this topic as I now present to you this latest song I have made. I am now going to explain it. Again, you are free to give whatever personal opinions you want on it (even criticism) and I will only say to your criticism in return something such as that we will never know just yet if these compositions I have made in my head are anything truly great or not. Only when the emotion of my compositions gets across to you through correction of these technical flaws will we know for sure whether my songs convey great emotion or not. So I am now going to explain and present these songs to you.
 
Although I don't have any knowledge or experience when it comes to music and composing, I at least have a profound musical perception and can come up with great tunes in my head. There is this one particular tune I have created in my head and I have tried my best to translate the notes from what I hear in my head. Now what you are about to hear might be nowhere near perfect and might very well have some flaws, but I hope that you might hear this song just like how I hear it. In other words, I hope that this song and its intended feel gets across to you anyway. If it somehow doesn't, then this would obviously mean that there are technical flaws with the song that are preventing its feel from getting across to you. But once these flaws are all corrected when I have the necessary knowledge and experience to do so, then hopefully this song's feel will get across to you.
 
Therefore, here is this new song. It has a feeling of strong heroic passion which I think suits the Twilight Princess version of Link perfectly. Now when I say passion, I do not mean feelings of love. I instead mean a strong desire to protect someone. This song expresses Link having a powerful desire to save someone whose life is in danger. Which is why I have used my song for this scene with Link saving Colin since his life is in danger. The melody itself conveys this feeling. Although I do hear a choir singing this melody in my head, the choir and instruments I have chosen are not the ones I hear in my head since I do not have the musical skills yet to create/find the instruments/choirs I need.
 
You hear the melody play soft and at a higher octave. This creates a leading feel into a powerful passionate heroic feel as the choir then sings louder at a lower octave. Also, I think the long held notes are supposed to slowly slightly rise in pitch over time (I'm not sure). Or there is supposed to be some phaser effect at the end of those long held notes in order to lead into the next portion of the melody. But I have left those notes the way they are since I do not have the musical knowledge and experience to perfect this song yet.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBHLpyFO7Q8
 
Now here is one more song for Link. It starts off with that same heroic tune. However, it conveys a different feeling since the notes are a bit different and it plays at a faster speed. This feeling still expresses Link in a heroic way. However, it expresses a heroic feeling that Link is on his way to engage in action in defeating a bunch of enemies. This tune then leads into a different tune which is an all-out epic motivational heroic tune which expresses Link engaging in action and defeating enemies. This tune plays one more time with the other tune at a higher octave. This other tune being at a higher octave with the epic tune expresses a feeling of climax. After which, this tune plays again at the normal octave to express a closing feel in which the enemies have been defeated and Link sheathes his sword.
 
Now I am no expert at all when it comes to giving lyrics to songs. However, I do feel strongly that the word "destiny" would fit at the end of the all-out epic tune. It would fit the last 3 notes of that epic tune. I have presented these individual notes here in quotations. Those 3 notes would say "dest" "in" "y."
 
So here it is. I have used it for this scene with Link using his final smash:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJdtMS92t-g
 
Now here is one more version of this epic theme for Link. The absolute version of this song I hear in my head I think has a whole bunch of little notes that play in it. But even though I have tried my best to translate that, I don't think it turned out too well. It did not turn out well like the version in that youtube link above. But here it is anyway:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquuRrXrglQ
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/19 18:07:26 (permalink)
I understand you don't have much music education or playing or composing experience but I must say that these works sound pretty similar. There is a melody in your work so maybe some time later you can develop your idea a bit further and maybe the result could be used in a game. But infringing copyright is not nice and will probably not get you many points in this place.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/19 18:50:09 (permalink)
First off, I wish to know right here and now what you personally thought and felt about the conveyed emotion in that heroic passion theme as well as the epic theme. I wish to know right here and now if it truly is something great in terms of its emotion.
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/19 19:17:50 (permalink)
Well I did not feel much but I am not a very emotional guy and it is not easy to me to talk about feelings so you should probably ask somebody who is a bit more emotional and is good with words.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/19 23:34:16 (permalink)
Hey dont mean to sound like a jerk. But when posting for reviews try to keep it short and simple straight to the point
I think it sound to empty
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/20 04:00:24 (permalink)
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First off, I wish to know right here and now what you personally thought and felt about the conveyed emotion in that heroic passion theme as well as the epic theme. I wish to know right here and now if it truly is something great in terms of its emotion.




Honestly, no.
 
It's a rudimentary melody, pretty enough, but quite sterile emotionally. The two pieces I listened to were almost identical.

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/02/20 10:55:35 (permalink)
I'd have to agree, SonicFan. I feel there isn't a lot to grab me only because of the overall lack of fullness instrumentally. Perhaps fill it out, add some percussion to give a pulse, add some sort of 'bass' to imply the chords a bit better (if it's chordal) and I think you'll be much further on your way here.

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 10:54:58 (permalink)
I know I said before that I was convinced that compositions cannot get across to anyone in terms of other people perceiving their emotion and how they are supposed to go in terms of their melodies and such providing that these compositions are flawed (imperfected), but I am only something like 80% convinced of that. Yes, I am going to study up on music theory all I can in order to perfect my compositions later in the future so that other people can finally understand their emotion and how they go. But surely if you sing a song you have made at least sufficiently accurate, then that song should get across to another person even despite its flaws. It wouldn't have to be perfect. It just needs to be sung accurately enough for the other person to "get it." I mean, my own family has gotten some of my melodies/songs since they sing them and they sing them correctly. So this is why I am thinking other people should get it as well.
 
It doesn't matter if it is a person singing "dos" into a microphone or anything else. As long as the person perceives the melodies and is able to derive the emotion that the melodies themselves convey independent of all the other lacking musical elements such as the right instruments and such, then that is all that is needed. It's just the melodies themselves that matter. For example, I can have all the greatest sounding instruments in the world and play some melody/song with it. But as long as that melody or song is nothing good and doesn't convey emotion, then the song no longer matters even despite all those great instruments that were playing it. Therefore, it's just the emotion that is conveyed from the notes themselves that matter. Yes, adding the right instruments to that melody will definitely bring out its emotion even more. But as long as the person perceives the emotion in the melody to begin with, then instruments can come later to bring out that emotion even more later on. It's just the melodies that matter now.
 
So that's what I'm going to do here in the meantime in this topic while also studying up on music theory and such as well which is that I am going to present to you these new songs I have sung because even my singing now is more accurate than what I did before which was just placing notes and adding instruments to them. In the past, I was unable to translate what I heard in my head. However, that ability has improved over time. But it is still nowhere near perfect. But hopefully it is enough now to the point where you might be able to perceive the melodies in my songs and the emotions they convey.
 
Therefore, I will start off with this new song I made.  This is supposed to be a song that conveys an intense sad/moving feel.  It is gospel because the sung lyrical version of this song you hear later in the video has a gospel man choir and a gospel women choir singing the lyrics.  Again, I could only sing it with my voice since it is a song I have made in my head and not a fully produced song yet.  Also, songs usually start off with a settled feel and build their way up to the most emotionally intense part.  This emotionally intense part is what I would call the main motive of a song.  Right before the main motive, there is usually something right before them that leads into them.  Therefore, what you hear in my song is just that.  You hear the leading part and then the most intense part.  So this is not a full song yet.  It is just an example of my song.
 
The lyrical part in my song that has the lyrics "With my mind I open up a whole new world of symphony," that is the leading part of the song.  This part of the song has a gospel male choir singing it.  Then the lyrical part of the song that sings "Rise up you're going down," this is the most intense part of the song and has a gospel women choir singing it (although it is supposed to be sung more intense.  But I could only sing it at the intensity level that it is in this video since me singing it any more intense might of made it technically flawed).  This song is supposed to convey a sad/moving scene.  This scene would be someone special leaving.  It has a settled feel at first with the other person saying "Please don't leave me."  And then when that person leaves, it then goes into a sad/moving intense feel in which the other person bursts into tears.
 
I first sing the instrumental of the song with "bums" to give you an idea of how it goes.  Then I sing the lyrical version.  I am thinking the sung lyrical version might be more accurate than the instrumental (though I am not sure).  Therefore, here is this new song I made to start you off.  After you listen to it, please just talk about this song in terms of how it felt to you and nothing more since emotions in music are the only things that matter to me.  Then after you have listened to it and have gave your opinions on it, then I will also post more of my other recent songs that I have tried my best to sing as well:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wIyUqZ1DZc
 
In conclusion, I would like to say here that my song is, in a way, similar to the song "Raisin' Me Up" from the videogame Sonic Rush. I think it has the same male and women choir that sings my song as well:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUbRCpPedc
 
 
 
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 11:17:59 (permalink)
Well SonicFan, I read bit there, and I think it's difficult to simply say that people should automatically feel emotion in a melody independently. Think of two compositions like the following:
 
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Q-Tip - Let's Ride (instrumental)
 
Take note that these are theoretically the SAME 'melody', but faaar different feel. I think that (in popular songwriting styles) it really is what backs up and supports the melody that defines the overall feel of the song.
My mind personally works a lot better in terms of chords, I LOVE chords and when I hear chords backing a melody, it gives me a lot more insight into what the composer is trying to convey.
A good melody can show emotion, but for me, the feel, mood, what EVER, is put into context by the supporting elements.

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 11:18:03 (permalink)
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 Therefore, here is this new song I made to start you off.  After you listen to it, please just talk about this song in terms of how it felt to you and nothing more since emotions in music are the only things that matter to me.
 




 
Sorry Matt, that isn't really how it goes here.
 
Some tips;
 
Try listening to other people's music and commenting on it first, then you may get some support in return.
 
Try not typing an essay every time you post a tiny snippet of something, it's incredibly tedious.
 
Maybe also try actually *creating* some music, instead of endlessly analysing it.
 

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 11:44:19 (permalink)
I understand.  But I will just keep posting my new songs I made here anyway in the event that there is someone who can get the intended feel of my songs, how they go, and can just talk about how that song felt to them.  Therefore, here is a new song I made which is actually a full song. It is unlike my other songs which were just portions of a song. This new song is a dramatic horror song and slowly builds up to an intense dramatic horrific feel. Therefore, go ahead and give your personal opinion on it just in the sense of how the melodies themselves felt to you regardless of this song's flaws, imperfections, and lack of instrumentation. I first sing the instrumental version of this song. Then I sing the lyrical version of the song. Also, the sung lyrical versions of my songs can be more accurately sung than the sung instrumentals. But forget the lyrics in this song since I am not good with lyrics. I just simply wanted to sing this song with words anyway just so that you can make out how this song goes:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRuHCx6jlmg
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 11:59:18 (permalink)
Hey SonicFan, I don't mean to say anything if not, but are you a troll?

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 12:06:03 (permalink)
I don't think he would say the truth if he was a troll. He uses probably just a bit different kind of language to what we are used to but I've been fooled before.
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 12:26:38 (permalink)
I fixed my last comment because it was possibly hurtful and stupid. Sorry Sonicfan if I hurt your feelings.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 14:24:15 (permalink)
There was drama in it. But it was somewhat monotonous imo.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 17:32:14 (permalink)
The fact that this thread has 2500 views, and hardly any comments, should tell you all you need to know.
 
I understand

 
Obviously not.

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 17:41:10 (permalink)
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The fact that this thread has 2500 views, and hardly any comments, should tell you all you need to know.
 
I understand

 
Obviously not.




So you used some auto-refresher program to give my topic those many views because it is your way of telling other people to not bother wasting their time listening and replying to my music?  If people saw all those views and hardly any comments, then it would be likely they would get that very message and might not even bother listening and replying here.
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 17:49:55 (permalink)
As if I could be bothered with that, even if I knew how to.
 
Seriously man. Stop talking *about* music, and write some. That's what this forum is for.
 
I'll leave you to it, good luck.

 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/03 17:53:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/03/18 09:06:52
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The fact that this thread has 2500 views, and hardly any comments, should tell you all you need to know.
 
I understand

 
Obviously not.




So you used some auto-refresher program to give my topic those many views because it is your way of telling other people to not bother

Matt, I think this thread has so many views just because people find you and this thread so interesting.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/04 21:46:14 (permalink)
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/11 14:36:02 (permalink)
Thanks for the suggestions. I will take them and use them when I learn more about composing later on. But in the meantime, here is something else. It is not a composition. It is a remix I did. I used it for a different videogame which would be Sonic.
 
This is a remix I did. It expresses Shadow the Hedgehog. It has a heavy metal instrument, a gothic woman singer, a gothic funk-like yell, a telepathic enchanting supernatural woman astronaut, and an enchanting male astronaut:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy25xns9idk
 
Here is the same song reversed (with the super sonic transformation sound effect) which conveys a very cool feel:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZWhyD-htA4
 
Here is another different remix which expresses something dark and gothic as well using this same singer and heavy metal:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8p-n67TaU
 
Here is one more different remix:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpgnlADtQtQ
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/12 20:21:13 (permalink)
Here is another different remix for Dark Super Sonic. It has heavy booming bass combined with a harsh demonic sounding choir, an enchanting male astronaut, and an enchanting woman witch:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7v2Z1xNxAg
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/12 22:11:15 (permalink)
just does not work with the clip.................
needs some powerful low end to build some drama
that theme may work perfectly somewhere else..... never scrap anything
 
I am doing a sound track to a movie right now and I see that (clip)score with about 5 tons of reverb
and some stereo tricks
and another track up front or in the background to take away from the repetition of your theme
see ya
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/13 09:54:18 (permalink)
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just does not work with the clip.................
needs some powerful low end to build some drama
that theme may work perfectly somewhere else..... never scrap anything
 
I am doing a sound track to a movie right now and I see that (clip)score with about 5 tons of reverb
and some stereo tricks
and another track up front or in the background to take away from the repetition of your theme
see ya
 




Do you mean that the video clip I have chosen for my remix doesn't work out?  If that is the case, here is a much more fitting clip instead.  Since that demonic heavy bass remix did not work out for the battle scene between Nazo and Dark Super Sonic and only works for a demonic transformation (powering up theme), I have chosen to use this remix for a certain character undergoing a demonic transformation.  I know that this specific character (Trunks) is not demonic, but this remix goes with this scene anyway since it has a demonic otherworldly feel to it with the rushing sky and everything else:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ravmSkCVs
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/15 09:57:15 (permalink)
Here is a new remix I made for Sonic Rush. It is dark and heavy. When you first hear the heavy metal instrument, that is not supposed to go with the light-hearted music in the background. Instead, it is supposed to go with the eerie transformation sound effect that occurs when Sonic and Blaze transform. I also added other things to this heavy metal as well which would be an otherworldly women and male choir, an otherworldly speaking woman, and a speaking male astronaut. This whole thing I have going here with the male astronaut, a woman, and otherworldly choirs seems to be a template that goes well with heavy bass, heavy metal, and epic rap-like instrumentals. It may be repetitious, but I do not have the necessary musical skills yet to make a fully perfected and flawless song. So I am just merely presenting this idea I have now.
 
In conclusion, I have also added the voice of Lil Wayne into this remix. I did this because his voice has a serious and yet a cool awesome dark tonality (mood) to it just like the mood of my remix. So this is why I put them together. This version of Lil Wayne combined with my remix would be a possessed evil version of Lil Wayne singing near the end:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMG5YzgEmv0
 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/15 17:10:10 (permalink)
sonic, you obviously are passionate and confident concerning the "songs" you have posted here. Have you taken the time to listen to some of the many fine songwriter/artists who post on this forum? Most all of them learn a great deal and are able to hone their talents as a result of appreciating the long hours of thought and planning that go into their fellow musicians' compositions.  If you would invest your efforts in developing your ideas a little farther, rather than posting just snippets of them, i'm sure you would get a better reception here.  It takes a long list of ingredients, and careful preparation to end up with a tasty dish....so if you want to be a chef.................just my two cents.........P.S. A wise man once said: "Nobody ever learns anything with their mouth open." ....... just a little advice from one who took his first music lesson in in 1957......................good luck with your tunes....Ron. 
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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/15 17:23:45 (permalink)
I agree with what you say Ron. Also I suggest, Matt, that you would not make posts that include copy right infringement. It damages your posts.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/15 18:30:25 (permalink)
Kakku can you show me the infringement I can then act.

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Re: Twilight Princess Link’s New Powerful Passionate Heroic Theme 2015/03/15 19:39:30 (permalink)
Sonicfan had earlier made some posts about remixes he made with music from other artists and put them on Youtube one being Tpau.
Here is a post where is a link on his channel of somebody's song put on reverse:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...aspx?m=3178416&p=1
Here is one post where one of those links is gone it seems:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...aspx?m=3172137&p=1
I am not sure if the game videos are copy right protected but at least the game content is not his I believe. On Youtube Matt mvs is his channel I believe and there are many videos there.

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