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Two monitoring systems

Hi, i just purchased a set of Avotone mixcubes for my second reference monitors, i'm using the V Studio 100 and could do with a way of adding these to my system and being able to switch between the two without having to buy a Mackie big knob.At the moment i've connected them to output 3&4 but i'm unable to control the volume with the monitor control on the V Studio, i'm swapping between the output drivers in the master bus in Sonar, is there a way to make something to switch between the two and control the volume with the monitor pot on the V Studio?
 
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 17:38:59 (permalink)
    Did you mean "Avantone's MixCubes?"

    Are your first set powered or passive?
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 17:40:44 (permalink)
    Switching active monitors requires some electronic finesse in order to avoid damage to your speakers when switching. That's why you'd want to invest in a proper switch like the Big Knob. However, there are cheaper alternatives to the Mackie if all you want to do is switch monitors. Sorry, I can't help with the VS-100.


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 17:43:42 (permalink)
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    Did you mean "Avantone's MixCubes?"

    Are your first set powered or passive?

    Sorry yes i did, they are active.
     
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 17:46:48 (permalink)
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    Switching active monitors requires some electronic finesse in order to avoid damage to your speakers when switching. That's why you'd want to invest in a proper switch like the Big Knob. However, there are cheaper alternatives to the Mackie if all you want to do is switch monitors. Sorry, I can't help with the VS-100.
    Could you please suggest some as all i can find is the Mackie.
     
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 17:51:35 (permalink)
    So you have one active pair and a passive pair... so you could just use 2 separate outputs from the 100... I would just use Outputs 1-2 (Mains) for your active pair and then change your master fader to Outputs 3-4 (Make these sends to the amp for your Cubes.


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 18:01:03 (permalink)
    I recommend the Behringer Mini Mon800

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 18:02:42 (permalink)
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    So you have one active pair and a passive pair... so you could just use 2 separate outputs from the 100... I would just use Outputs 1-2 (Mains) for your active pair and then change your master fader to Outputs 3-4 (Make these sends to the amp for your Cubes.

    Thanks for the help but both my monitors are active.
     
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 18:12:38 (permalink)
    You can go out 5-6 then and adapt from RCA....

    Cost you NOTHING
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 18:14:50 (permalink)
    You could probably find a cheap KVM type switcher if you wanted to toggle the one output to 2 different outputs....

    I use this when I SMAART a system.. I have like 6 microphones throughout a theater and can toggle from one to the next on my laptop.

    I charge for designs and consulting though.......


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 18:33:58 (permalink)
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    You can go out 5-6 then and adapt from RCA....

    Cost you NOTHING
    Is out 5-6 controlled by the monitor pot?
     
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 19:25:35 (permalink)
    If you don't need instant and frequent switching, maybe a short extension stereo cable witha female plug (1/8'), and a matching stereo cable to each speaker input can do the job.

    Plug and unplug by hand. Easy to do if the cables and plug are conveniently located.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 19:52:54 (permalink)
    GET the BIG KNOB!!!  It is darn worth the price and it the best way of making all of your alternate studio connections.  I love using it to talk to the singers while they are in the  vocal booth via their headphones, that is worth the price alone, not to mention the fact that it connect up to 3 sets of monitors. 

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 21:24:10 (permalink)
    I'd take a look and listen to this as well:

    http://www.sweetwater.com.tore/detail/MonitorStat/



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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/27 22:39:46 (permalink)

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    I recommend the Behringer Mini Mon800


    +1 - it sounds and works awesome for peanuts. I was considering the mackie big knob and then I found the mon800 - tried it and never looked nback - It has all the functionality of the big knob, and the controls are on the front which I like better-

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 02:43:26 (permalink)
    Cheers i'll look into all these, does the Mini Mon 800 have balanced TRS outputs for both monitor outputs, as the Mix Cubes only have a balanced input.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 06:16:48 (permalink)
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 11:55:50 (permalink)
    and heres me thinking my mackie BK wasn't cheap..hehe

    BUT the BK is handy if you don't have a mixer and want talk back etc.

    it's a nice unit , BUT since it's a US import it basically doubled in price at one point, but is now £50 more then what I paid for it


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 13:24:43 (permalink)
    http://www.tcelectronic.com/bmc-2.asp

    If this TC unit works as well as the remote on some of their interfaces it should be good.  The DA is great on their interfaces.  It does run about $300, tho.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 13:27:25 (permalink)
    +1 on the Big Knob


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 14:04:46 (permalink)
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    Hi, i just purchased a set of Avotone mixcubes for my second reference monitors, i'm using the V Studio 100 and could do with a way of adding these to my system and being able to switch between the two without having to buy a Mackie big knob.At the moment i've connected them to output 3&4 but i'm unable to control the volume with the monitor control on the V Studio, i'm swapping between the output drivers in the master bus in Sonar, is there a way to make something to switch between the two and control the volume with the monitor pot on the V Studio?
     
    Cheers
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    I use one of these...
    http://www.markertek.com/...o-Audio/MPATCH-2.xhtml

    The good news ? It does not color the sound like most active ones will.  You can leave your digital control up all the way (that is a good thing).
    The bad news ? The headphone amp is not very good and causes a pop when you first plug in the phones.

    Note: Some Big Knob users have reported the sound is colored in some way.
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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 14:27:04 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    I use this:
    http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/samson-c-control-control-room-matrix--3451

    Basicly the same as the Minimon but this has better quality components.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 14:28:50 (permalink)
    ohhey

    Note: Some Big Knob users have reported the sound is colored in some way.


    If it does color the sound, my ARC system should take care of that, I hope.


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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 21:33:25 (permalink)
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    Hi Steve,

    I use this:
    http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipment/samson-c-control-control-room-matrix--3451

    Basicly the same as the Minimon but this has better quality components.


    How do you know it has better quality components?

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 21:56:17 (permalink)
    I have the MiniMon. Its a steal at 40bucks on amazon, however I have had to deal with a loud buzzing anytime I turn it up real loud. Its good for a budget purchase, but it kind of is a piece of ****.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 22:03:28 (permalink)
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    How do you know it has better quality components?

    Behringer generally use lower quality components, hence cheaper products.
    It's well known and something the company is proud of.
    There's a statement saying as such on their website somewhere, it's certainly
    in the manuals of my units (composer pro, ultrafex).
     
    Also, most reviews of Behringer products aknowledge this too.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 23:16:26 (permalink)
    MPatch-2 here as well.

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/28 23:33:44 (permalink)
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    John


     


    How do you know it has better quality components?

    Behringer generally use lower quality components, hence cheaper products.
    It's well known and something the company is proud of.
    There's a statement saying as such on their website somewhere, it's certainly
    in the manuals of my units (composer pro, ultrafex).
     
    Also, most reviews of Behringer products aknowledge this too.


    That is the rumor yet I don't see any component sheet on any of those products that proves that.
    What is important is that one that bought the unit is pointedly recommending it. That would be me. I never recommend anything I don't think someone will not be happy with. If I find it to be a dog I will say so.

    I have two other Behringer units and I find them working just fine. I don't believe they say that we use cheap components. If it works within specs it will work just as well as another with the same specs.
     

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/29 02:22:18 (permalink)


    How do you know it has better quality components?

    Behringer generally use lower quality components, hence cheaper products.
    It's well known and something the company is proud of.
    There's a statement saying as such on their website somewhere, it's certainly
    in the manuals of my units (composer pro, ultrafex).

    Also, most reviews of Behringer products aknowledge this too.



    That is the rumor yet I don't see any component sheet on any of those products that proves that.
    What is important is that one that bought the unit is pointedly recommending it. That would be me. I never recommend anything I don't think someone will not be happy with. If I find it to be a dog I will say so.

    I have two other Behringer units and I find them working just fine. I don't believe they say that we use cheap components. If it works within specs it will work just as well as another with the same specs.


    Does your unit function without any buzzing? Do you hear any noise when you turn the speaker level up (no music playing)? Any static or anything?

    I hear a loud whiny buzzing pitch even before the dials hits ONE (out of 6). Like I said above, I bought the MixMon because it was cheap, and I needed a headphone/speaker controller at the time. But for anyone with more than $40 bucks in their pocket, I would not recommend it.
     

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    Re:Two monitoring systems 2010/07/29 02:27:05 (permalink)
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    MPatch-2 here as well.

    I'm very happy with my M-Patch 2.  It has fewer bells and whistles than Mackie but it is also a quarter of the price.

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