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2016/07/21 22:25:43 (permalink)

Two vs. One Video Monitor

I'm trying to convince myself that I need a 2nd monitor but I just can't go through with getting another one. What are your opinions on the subject? Thanks in advance !

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/21 23:55:42 (permalink)
1st monitor on the regular screen and the 2nd for Console View makes the work flow much faster especially when you have many tracks. I was working up to 4 monitors at one time (one for PRV editing and another one holding all the VSTs, Staff view , etc).
 
Since my system crashed and now rebuilt - I'm back to single monitor for the time being till my work flow gets heavier - but I felt I'm not working as fast now compared to splitting views across other monitors.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 08:00:20 (permalink)
For me it's about pixels to light up.  I have had dual monitors almost as long as they've been supported.  Currently two 23" monitors, each 1920 x 1080.  With Sonar, the main window with TV/clip pane are left, multidock and floating VST windows go right.  More pixels in the same space would get too small for eyes, so ...
 
As soon as the magic price number gets crossed, I'll get a single 46-ish" 4K so I can have the equivalent of four of what I have now arranged 2 x 2.
 
 

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 08:17:20 (permalink)
I could NEVER go back to one monitor.
 
Hell, I'm trying to squeeze out the desk real estate to add a 3rd.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 09:03:33 (permalink)
I currently have 2 monitors hooked up, BUT...but...but, not side by side . I have a 24" 1920 x 1080 which is eye level and use it for the DAW. The 2nd is a 32 HDTV (720p) which won't fit side by side on my desk and I've put it on the top shelf (mostly to watch movies).
 
Would it be better to just use the 32" for my DAW or get a smaller monitor and use 2?

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 11:45:36 (permalink)
I like to have my VST GUIs on the second monitor. You'll never know how you managed with one once you take the plunge!

Great idea above to have the console on second screen, I'll have to try that. Or maybe I need a third one...
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 13:12:29 (permalink)
 
I have 2 monitors but like Mesh mine are not together. One is 27" and at my desk,  the other mirrors the first is 24"
but is across the room at my MOX8 to use when at the keys.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 13:36:53 (permalink)
When you get the second monitor, you will wonder how you ever coped with just one!

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/22 19:27:25 (permalink)
thanks everyone for the input! I'll get a 22"  and use my old monitor as a second(console)

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 10:39:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/07/23 13:07:41
For whatever the worth, you might want to take a look at current prices for HDTV's, as they work fine for use with Sonar, and are QUITE a bit cheaper than a corresponding computer monitor.
 
 
For example, you can find a 32" HDTV for as cheap as $119.99, which I recently did.  I also bought a 40" HDTV for $249.99
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 10:40:33 (permalink)
There is a downside to dual monitors, which is that you may need to move your speakers further apart so that the displays don't impinge on the speakers' line-of-sight dispersion. This is an argument for a single large display instead of two smaller ones, or for placing the two monitors vertically, one above the other.
 
My ideal desk would have a shelf for video monitors below the desk's surface. Picture the news anchor's desk on TV. This would allow for larger displays that would have less speaker interference. I'd also integrate a noise-dampening compartment for the computer, an equipment rack and cabling troughs.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 13:08:01 (permalink)
you may need to move your speakers further apart so that the displays don't impinge on the speakers' line-of-sight dispersion
 
Exactly Dave. It's the problem I'm having at the moment. I've moved things around etc. and the thought of one big monitor is slowing my decision. A former drummer and friend is a manger at the local Walmart electronics dept. and we were talking about vertical placement of 2 monitors. To me that makes sense but there's the cost of buying or building a desk. 
 
In my favor is there is no rush to make that decision. I'm happy with my room arrangement now but I can see that two monitors will take a new desk. I think I will start my next project to help show what it is I actually need. The one thing that has slowed my choice is the way I go about building a song and arrangement. Since I do and play everything my steps are one thing at a time and I really haven't needed a console view and a track view at the same time. 

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 14:03:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/07/23 16:04:22
I have 2 monitors - used to use 3, and may well go back to a third.
 
My reference speakers are to the right and left of my midi controller, and each monitor is placed on top of one of the reference speakers, so that they face me at the same angle as the reference speakers, at a 45 degree angle and are about 2-3 feet from my noggin.  
 
If I pick up a third monitor, it too will be an HDTV, and will likely be a 50" or 55" HDTV, depending on what is on sale when I am ready to pick one up.  THAT one would sit directly in front of me, and would then become my main monitor, with Sonar's main screen on it (Track Pane, Inspector Pane, Browser Pane).
 
In my current 2-monitor setup, Sonar's main screen is on the larger monitor, and the other monitor displays the console view.
 
In my setup, I have no desk.  I have my keyboard rig sitting in front of me, and is two-tiered, with an 88-key midi controller on the bottom tier, and a 61-key midi controller on the upper tier.  My keyboard stand has a horizontal stablizer rod that keeps the two brackets that form the 2nd tier rigid and stop the upper tier from shaking.  I have a square metal side of a computer chassis running across the top of the lower midi controller, (there are no knobs or buttons or any display panel on the top center of that controller, and the back of that metal square panel sits on top of that cross-strut of the upper tier of the keyboard stand.  I use a little duct tape to secure the panel to the stand and the lower midi controller.  On the metal panel, I place my audio interface and a tube pre-amp, and I usually have my computer keyboard in my lap or can place it on top of the audio interface and tube pre-amp - since they are both flat on top.
 
Sorry about all the above typing - my setup is quite comfortable for me to reach and see everything, and even though the two display monitors have some space between them, most of my work during tracking is using the main display monitor, once I have levels set, and I generally only need to occasionally glance at the other display with the console view on it, until I am actually mixing and watching levels more closely or adding effects or working with ProChannel settings and such.
 
If I pick up a third monitor, it would become the main display, console view would remain on the display to my left, and I would likely use the display to the right for having plugins open or maybe have Notepad/Word/Excel open on that one, for creating notes for the project.  Anything really other than the main display and the console would be placed on that monitor.
 
By thew way, both of my displays sit just about perfectly at the right height for me, sitting on top of the reference speakers.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 14:07:39 (permalink)
Take a look at some of the options variable for dual monitor stands - 
Many have a single clamp that easily attaches to most computer desks, with individual height and angle adjustments for each monitor.
 
Might be able to make something like that work without having to build a new desk around it.
Worked for me! 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 14:08:18 (permalink)
I also concur with bayoubill's one-man show comments about not really needing to have the console view and the track view in use at the same time, and even in my setup I don't normally have to look at both at the same time.  It IS nice, however that I don't have to do a thing other than to turn my head to view the console, since it is always up and always in the same place to my left at a 45 degree angle and 3 feet from my head.
 
I am a keyboard player, and am doing all the keyboard parts, so the above works well for me.  When tracking guitar or drums, I can look at whichever monitor is presenting the information I need for that moment, and do not have to open or move anything in order to see track view info or console levels.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 14:22:10 (permalink)
Here is a 50" HDTV I might pick up as a 3rd monitor (and would become my primary screen with Track View on it):
 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sharp-50-class-49-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-roku-tv-black/4863102.p?id=bb4863102&skuId=4863102
 
The above HDTV is running at $299 here in the US.  Several large retailers offer giant numbers of brands and sizes, and with a little checking between their web sites, you can almost always find a great HDTV in whatever size you wish, at a great price.  The above link is but one example of how inexpensive these are becoming on a regular basis, and they work GREAT with Sonar for single or multiple display setups.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/23 17:16:52 (permalink)
I've been thinking of getting an ultrawide monitor to replace the two monitors I'm using now. It would  mean less screen space (maybe not that much) but I'd regain some (physical) desk space which I need. The local Costco has them so it would be an easy return if it didn't work out.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/24 11:14:00 (permalink)
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Here is a 50" HDTV I might pick up as a 3rd monitor (and would become my primary screen with Track View on it):
 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sharp-50-class-49-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-roku-tv-black/4863102.p?id=bb4863102&skuId=4863102
 
The above HDTV is running at $299 here in the US.  Several large retailers offer giant numbers of brands and sizes, and with a little checking between their web sites, you can almost always find a great HDTV in whatever size you wish, at a great price.  The above link is but one example of how inexpensive these are becoming on a regular basis, and they work GREAT with Sonar for single or multiple display setups.
 
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1920 x 1080 on 50" wouldn't make me happy.  A 50" 4K would be a close match for pixel size to the two 1920 x 1080 23" WS I have now, plus give me double height.
 

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/24 12:26:10 (permalink)
Yeah - I only used that link to show essentially that there are 50" and larger HDTV's out there in the $300 range - I wasn't particularly suggesting that model over any others in that price range.  When ready to shop for one, I would suggest reviewing the larger retailers, such as Best Buy, Sams Club, Costco, Walmart, and even some of the more computer parts leaning retailers, like Newegg, Micro Center, and Tiger Direct.
 
I should have clarified that in my earlier post. :)
 
I should add that my eyes are pretty much toast anymore, so I tend to set resolutions to where things are big enough for me to read comfortably, even though that means displaying less icons and content on the screen.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/24 13:15:27 (permalink)
I hear ya on the eyes.  1920x1080 on 23" is about as small as I wanna go.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/24 13:31:45 (permalink)
I use 2, track view in 1st monitor, multi dock in 2nd monitor
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/24 13:58:59 (permalink)
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I use 2, track view in 1st monitor, multi dock in 2nd monitor


Same
 
but I also have my monitors mounted on a swivel, so I can rotate them to portrait view if I want want to get more more tracks in view, or maybe a larger range of notes in piano roll etc.  Which is probably excessive, but I have picked this habit up from reading way to PDF technical and text books, and learnt to swap screen orientations to make life easier instead of having to scroll up and down all the time to revise etc.
 
I like making things easier for me, and having tall screens sometimes does that :)

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 08:53:26 (permalink)
So generally speaking, is it better to have 1 big monitor vs. 2 smaller?? (in my case using a 32" HDTV vs. having two 24" monitors)....

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 09:49:01 (permalink)
I have NOT tried a single.  Yet.  One thing that is nagging about the thought of going from 2 smaller to one larger is that I have current monitors sitting S x S and each is angled in slightly.  I really don't like straight.
 
I *might* be able to get used to it if I'm able to get rid of the split and quadruple my screen pixels though.

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 10:30:43 (permalink)
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So generally speaking, is it better to have 1 big monitor vs. 2 smaller?? (in my case using a 32" HDTV vs. having two 24" monitors)....


For ME, I prefer 2 monitors, and I split things across them.  I had run with 3 in the past, and may do so again at some point, but for now am much happier with 2 than 1 giant one.  (my current two are much bigger than any true computer display monitor I ever had in the past, at 32" and 40").
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 10:42:30 (permalink)
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So generally speaking, is it better to have 1 big monitor vs. 2 smaller?? (in my case using a 32" HDTV vs. having two 24" monitors)....


For ME, I prefer 2 monitors, and I split things across them.  I had run with 3 in the past, and may do so again at some point, but for now am much happier with 2 than 1 giant one.  (my current two are much bigger than any true computer display monitor I ever had in the past, at 32" and 40").
 
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My dilemma is only having one of each ATM......and a bit hesitant to buy another 24" monitor with the lack of space on my desk.
 
A few years back, I did have a dual display setup with two 19" monitors and it was really nice to have tracking on one screen/console view on another. I suppose the best way to know is to setup the larger one as the primary monitor and see how much real estate it (Sonar) takes before buying a new monitor. 

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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 13:28:54 (permalink)
Does anyone set up with one above another. I've wondered as my laptop is touchscreen, so could tilt back and set to the console view, and have a larger non touch hanging off the wall above it.

 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 22:17:47 (permalink)
I set my son's computer up with its two displays over and under.  He likes it, but I prefer side to side.  Mine even have three feet of space between them, and I happen still prefer that than over/under.
 
But, I suppose it could be gotten used to, and it comes down to personal choice/preference.
 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/25 22:35:17 (permalink)
I think I'f I had the same sizes I'd lean towards side by side, but having a HD laptop screen as one, I'd want the other to be a larger screen even if the same resolution. I wonder if that would feel odd going side by side.

 
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Re: Two vs. One Video Monitor 2016/07/26 00:17:37 (permalink)
I tend to only run a second monitor on things that have gotten complex (multiple VSTs that need tweaking, or the multi-dock being required in view). In many cases the multi-dock alone will suffice on a single monitor (D/Shift-D being used a lot). For other applications, the second monitor is off.
 
To that end, a few quick tidbits....
  1. I have a shortcut to "Display Switch" on my desktop (C:\Windows\System32\DisplaySwitch.exe in Win7), so I can shift between "Extend" and "Computer Only" on the fly. This saves screwing around drilling for that in the Display options.
  2. If you use this setup, under "Display->Change Display Settings" you want to be sure the monitors are side-by-side properly as they appear visually to you (one time check). Meaning, if 1 vs 2 are not how they physically set (can drag the monitors to arrange), Win7 puts a "wall" at the outer boundary... i.e., if the second monitor is left of the main, you want them in a "2 left of 1" configuration, so going left off the main monitor with the cursor lands on monitor 2 versus hitting that "wall."
  3. Opening projects on one monitor which had been last saved on 2 screens. I think this is not relevant of "losing windows" with SONAR, but have seen this on Win10 (NOT using SONAR) for older programs. Even the main app if opened on the now non-existing second monitor "disappears." Simply shifting to an extended configuration and moving them all back to one (if intended), then saved will address this. This is also why I keep the main SONAR app on the main monitor regardless.

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