UA-1G - bass guitar

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2010/12/06 06:34:54 (permalink)

UA-1G - bass guitar

Does anyone have any experience with Cakewalk UA-1G? How does it work out as a bass recording tool? Would you recommend it to a bassist?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
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    Chappel
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/06 08:31:05 (permalink)
    I use it all the time with my guitar. Works just fine for recording. The only problem you might face would be latency (the delay caused by processing) if you are monitoring the signal from your recording software.
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/06 10:37:41 (permalink)
    From what you say I presume it will be fine for my bass as well. Just hope the latency is not too big.
    And thanx for your reply!
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/07 01:30:02 (permalink)
    Hi Produkt

    I received my UA-1G today and have been recording along to an MP3 this evening which I imported into Sonar and EQed the bass out of (so that I could get more me). It worked brilliantly with next to no latency. Just make sure you read the instructions and ensure that all the switches on the back are set correctly and that you select 'Advanced Drive mode' on the interface. You'll get on just fine with the UA-1G for bass

    I originally posted in the 'Hardware' section about my Behringer UCG102 having dreadful latency in Sonar - well at least in my setup anyway. This is what led to me taking a gamble on the UA-1G. I'm glad I did. I should have really bought the UA-1G first.

    Incidentally, my UA-1G works with the standalone NI Guitar Combos which came bundled with the Behringer UCG102. Ace!!!


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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/07 04:33:59 (permalink)
    zippsinc, thank you so much for your advice and opinion!
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/14 18:13:00 (permalink)
    This USB-powered stereo audio interface Cakewalk provides input and output with 24-bit/96kHz sound quality, high-end A / D and D / A converter for the accurate recording and playback. I originally published in the "Hardware" section of my Behringer UCG102 having terrible latency in Sonar. Well, at least in my setup anyway this has led me to speculate in AU-1G I'm glad I did I would love to buy a first AU-1G.

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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/17 09:22:03 (permalink)
    So I bought UA-1G and I have a problem. My bass recordings sound kind of muffled, dull and very quiet, no matter if I use Sonar LE, Audacity or GuitarRig. Some people have better sounding recordings using integrated soundcard. :P
    What do I have to do to make it sound better? Please, help me, it's really important to me.
    And here's the soundclip:
    http://zwinny.wrzuta.pl/audio/9dBOh0D9g1D/probka
    post edited by produkt - 2010/12/19 08:11:36
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/19 09:54:09 (permalink)
    By the way - I recorded it at 44khz if it matters. ;)
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/19 11:31:54 (permalink)
    produkt


    By the way - I recorded it at 44khz if it matters. ;)


    I can't get anything on that site to play but the most important part of getting a good recorded sound is to use the input sensitivity knob to match up to your instrument's output. Make sure the guitar/mic switch is set to guitar, then turn the knob on top clockwise until you see the red light flash a little. If it is already flashing then turn the know counter/anti clockwise until it flashes just a little. Arm the Sonar track you want to record on and when you play your instrument, verify that you are recording in the -6db to -9db range. That should give you the best signal and recorded sound you will get with the UA-1G.

    Moving the track slider will have no effect on the input signal. That can only be adjusted using the Input Level Knob on the top of the UA-1G.
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/19 17:59:41 (permalink)
    I solved the "quiet sound" problem. But my bass still sounds muffled.
    I uploaded the soundclip to sendspace, since you weren't able to play it using previous link.
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/pztkz8
    As you can hear, it sounds more muffled on one of the two tones ( I play Fender Precision )
    Help...
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    Chappel
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/19 19:18:11 (permalink)
    Yes, the difference in tone is quite noticeable. I don't see how this can be attributed to the UA-1G, though, if the input sensitivity is properly adjusted, and even then I'm not sure a weak signal would have that kind of effect on the tone. How did you record the first example? Was it using the UA-1G?
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/20 05:13:46 (permalink)
    Both examples are recorded using UA-1G.
    Currently I'm plugging it like this:

    bass -> UA-1G -> PC usb

    What if I plugged it like this?

    bass -> 70W Combo -> UA-1G -> PC usb

    Would it make any difference?
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/20 13:01:40 (permalink)
    Use whatever configuration gave you the sound in the first example. Whatever caused the loss of high frequencies in the second example was not due to the UA-1G. The first example demonstrates that.

    You can run the preamp out of your amp to the UA-1G. It will color the tone because the signal has been processed by your amp's preamp. There is likely to be more noise in the signal. It will be a much hotter signal than the one directly from your bass so start with the Input Level knob at a low setting and gradually turn it up if you decide to try that.
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/20 13:47:13 (permalink)
    Okay, I will try to solve the problem somehow... Thank you Chappel for your help!
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/20 19:58:22 (permalink)
    Hi Produkt

    Your UA-1G should work without your amp. I've just used mine with:

    Fender Jazz Bass >>> UA-1G >>> PC USB. My tone was fine.

    Can I ask what you did differently to get the improved tone in your second clip? Was it an input level problem as Chappel suspected? Also, does your bass sound like this whilst monitoring too?

    I would trouble shoot with the manual if I was you. There are very tiny little switches recessed on the back of the UA-1G. Check your manual for them and make sure yours is set correctly to your intended 44Khz. The switches should be pointing downwards.

    Also take a look at your ASIO panel and get familiar with it in case something isn't set correctly. However, I think Chappel's on the money with your input requiring to be set properly.

    Post back and let us know how it goes.


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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/21 09:35:37 (permalink)
    The tone differences are because I was switching my bass guitar tone pot during recording. And yes, the bass sounds the same while monitoring.
    Manual is not helpful, all the switches are set correctly (downwards).
    ASIO thingy is okay as well, set just like this:

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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2010/12/21 14:30:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for posting the pics.

    The settings look fine. Mines are almost identical except from a few Sonar edition-specific features.

    The only thing I can think of is more troubleshooting. Like chappel said it's not likely to be an input level problem. We just need to figure out what's causing your tone issue. Chappel also mentioned the Guitar/Mic switch.

    Are you using any ITB effects? EQ? Guitar Rig? etc... It's very easy to repeatedly look over everything and overlook a problem causing setting time and time again. Make sure your P-Bass pots are maxed out.

    One thing at a time:

    - Try a different guitar.
    - Try several different cables from the guitar to the UA-1G.
    - Try a different USB port.
    - Try USB ports on a different PC/Laptop/MAC.

    Not sure if this matters but it might. Do you use the USB port for anything else audio related which you've installed a driver for? I can't use my UA-1G with a Behringer UCG102 driver installed. My UA-1G just won't show up in Sonar. Therefore, there can be confilcts. Although, I have to say, I'm unsure if they can make your bass sound like it's under a duvet.

    If any of the above don't work then I reckon you'll have to talk to Cakewalk Tech Support. They're nice folks who'll get you sorted in no time and establish what the issue may be.


    Stewart

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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2011/01/06 17:44:55 (permalink)
    I'm actually having latency problems with my bass and UA-1G, while using Amplitube X-Gear, and it doesn't seem to change when I switch  around the sampling rate and buffering to any setting. The UA-1G doesn't even show up as an input in Music Maker 5, as well.
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    Re:UA-1G - bass guitar 2011/01/10 10:19:27 (permalink)
    You should monitor your Bass directly from the USB and when playing back a track and recording your Bass at the same time,  DO NOT send the Bass track back to the USB from the Sonar track. The software can not record it and play it back at the same time.  It is impossible to do. In other words don't monitor your sound on sound source through the DAW during recording.

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