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2016/02/04 16:56:36 (permalink)

UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status

MY UAD plugins occasionally stop showing status.  So. for example, on the LA-2A I can crank the input gain and hear the difference, but the meter needle is dead and does not respond no matter what I do with the LA-2A controls. Similarly on the Precision series, the metering is usually a pair of lines that move in the normal way. The meters just stop, and any numbers that should show (such as db reduction) are zero, and on one occasion full of garbage characters. If I save the project, restart Sonar again it will restore the same view, and pressing play has the meters and other feeback working ok. I don't know if it's a bug or some setting I need to tweak. I've had it on every Sonar after 8.5, including X3 and now Platinum. Any clues appreciated, thanks.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/04 16:59:25 (permalink)
Wondering if there may be endemic issues with sonar and uad plugins.  I heard  a few hems and haws from UAD customer service the minute they found out I was using Sonar.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 06:03:54 (permalink)
Hi. Which version of UAD software do you have? I have read that 8.5 is a no go in Win 10, but I know 8.4 is ok, as I am running it on my studio pc.
All the best.

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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 11:34:16 (permalink)
I have also observed this behavior with various version of the UAD software over the years, only a restart of Sonar resolves it. (embarrassing in front of clients, I know mix with your ears not your eyes...but). I am running 8.5 software on win 10 with no issue ATM.

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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 11:45:25 (permalink)
It's been an ongoing problem with every Sonar after 8.5, as I said, so there have been many UAD software versions. I save and reload the project as a detour, and half expected it would be fixed one of these days, but no. Going back to eph221's comment, I suspect there is something about Sonar's plugin interface handling that changed with the X series. I've had support calls with other plugin builders who have hinted that Sonar is different in this area. I use Reaper too, and have never seen any issues in this area.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 12:05:11 (permalink)
Hmm... I've got most of the Precision Series as well as the LA-2A Collection and I don't experience the issues you're describing. Any chance you're using the 32 bit versions of the UAD plugins in 64 bit Sonar?

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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 12:18:00 (permalink)
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Hmm... I've got most of the Precision Series as well as the LA-2A Collection and I don't experience the issues you're describing. Any chance you're using the 32 bit versions of the UAD plugins in 64 bit Sonar?


I'm completely 64-bit.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 15:17:11 (permalink)
This might be of no use, but is your UAD pcie or firewire? Different cable / input, different slot (MB)? Which UAD version are you on?
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 17:35:12 (permalink)
Zargg71
This might be of no use, but is your UAD pcie or firewire? Different cable / input, different slot (MB)? Which UAD version are you on?
All the best.




It's PCIe but I don't think that's relevant. This is entirely internal to Sonar when mixing. As I said in the OP, I insert (say) Precision Limiter on a track, it shows metering bars, gain reduction in dB in its UI. Later on it doesn't show metering OR any dB values in the reduction section, BUT it still actually works (I can hear it) if I increase gain. I never have this issue with Reaper, only Sonar. If I shut down Sonar and reload the project it's all working again. Every test I do like this tells me that this is a Sonar issue sending update status to plugins.  
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 17:43:52 (permalink)
The reason I asked, was due to me not having any issues with UAD (pcie, but only have a few plugz besides the "basic bundle" and are using it via pcie). Still does not know anything about your setup.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 20:37:32 (permalink)
Phil, what graphics card are you using? Do you have a different one you can swap out, and do you have the latest graphics card drivers? Many times in these forums when someone has a problem that a) doesn't exist in some other DAWs and b) people can't reproduce, a graphics card is the culprit (especially when it installs one of those "HD audio" drivers, but that produces other symptoms). I don't know the technical rationale but some have theorized SONAR handles graphics differently from other programs (maybe because it's not cross-platform?).

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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/05 23:29:31 (permalink)
What Craig says is true.  My Nvidia drivers were messing with my UAD stuff.   I DOWNGRADED to my lesser,radeon on board video and the problems went away.   I don't play games so it don't matter....who knows why it's working.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/06 02:17:34 (permalink)
I'm running UAD 8.4 in Win 10 and a have NVidia card (GT610). While I run current drivers I load only the graphics driver, which gets rid of lots of bloat. Not issues at all.

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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/06 18:08:14 (permalink)
It's an Intel HD Graphics P4600/P4700. I think it's on the motherboard. But what's the relevance? Again, I have never ever seen this issue with Reaper, which I'm pretty sure rules out a graphics card connection and UAD. And note again that it is intermittent and is cured by saving/closing the project and re-opening it.  I'm willing to believe that there may be a Sonar UI option that has an effect, so maybe I'll turn off X Ray to see if it makes a difference, just as a random example of something to try, but otherwise I believe these symptoms mean that's Sonar. I could try a support call with UAD and see what they think.
post edited by PhilW - 2016/02/06 18:23:07
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/02/06 18:19:44 (permalink)
See if they hem and haw! :D.  Also, there can be strange issues with the windows 10  firewire drivers.   You usually have three options with the firewire cards: 1. legacy 2. the chipset and 3. the generic microsoft.  Try all three (that is if your using firewire).  
 
 
Btw the irig37 bug is a real bug.  It keeps SPLAT from opening. I mentioned it in the problems section, don't know if they heard.  This has nothing to do with Phil's issue.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/09/23 02:26:47 (permalink)
I have also had this issue with UAD2 pcie and Sonar. Across many different versions, OS installs, graphics cards and full system rebuilds. In my thinking it has to be a Sonar issue.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/09/23 04:51:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby IanPritchett 2016/09/25 04:43:19
I still use my UAD pcie card with SONAR with no issues. I have only used it with X3 and Platinum, but have not encountered any problems on the pc in my signature.
Ps. It always helps to put your specs in your signature, if wanting help.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/09/24 05:20:07 (permalink)
I had this problem once. 1176 meter has been dead, but plugin worked fine. But I have not found any dependence and do not reproduce it.
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Re: UAD Plugin UI Stops Showing Status 2016/09/24 22:31:02 (permalink)
Updated my signature to show my system details. Good point. I hope it helps the issue which appears to be happening to a few.

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