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2011/10/22 23:40:23 (permalink)

UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000

from $3500 a week ago (v 5.7) ... because new version 6.0 ... with new dongle-loid pluggins ... makes it more expensive, iirc.
 
Just when I almost had enough money to buy it ... drats!
 
Hopefully, one day, we'll have native pluggins with similar "warmth", "glue", etc. ... for a fraction of the cost.
 
(I also wonder if their "fairchild" comp is able to comp/color vocals as sweet and/or quickly ... as a good pre-comp (like my Avalon Pre (right at the source).
 
Well I'll probably wait for v6.0 to drop $$$ significantly before plunging in.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 14:19:22 (permalink)
    Is it really worth that?
    That is a lot of cash for some plugins.



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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 18:39:07 (permalink)
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    from $3500 a week ago (v 5.7) ... because new version 6.0 ... with new dongle-loid pluggins ... makes it more expensive, iirc.
     
    Just when I almost had enough money to buy it ... drats!

    Well I'll probably wait for v6.0 to drop $$$ significantly before plunging in.
    As far as I know you don't need to purchase the full set of plugins with the UAD card.  There are several options available, the cheapest being the one that only includes the "free" plugins.  Also there are always used cards available via eBay.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 20:09:29 (permalink)
    but... how can anyone resist the Studer A-800 plugin?? 5k is not a lot of money... it is a whole lot of money, at least for the hobbiest.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 21:22:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for chiming brothers,

    The Stud. A-800 only comes *free* with the $5k omni, iirc.  Buying the Neves pack, the ebay (w/*freebees*), etc. never includes that tape-harmonizer (a couple hundred $$$).

    Its just my lust and greed wanting "too much". ... And, iirc, when you buy 1 plugin you get free trials on the other 25ish for 14 days.

    "Nobody in their right mind is going to use all 25ish UAD plug-ins, but will hone 10 plugins max for continual use".  I mean, who uses 5 UAD equalizers hahaha? 

    OTOH, 10 plugins cost about $2K

    But for utmost experimentation, having all the UAD pluggins *seem* tempting, perhaps even for the hobbiest at some point.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 21:43:52 (permalink)
    Philip

    Its just my lust and greed wanting "too much". ... And, iirc, when you buy 1 plugin you get free trials on the other 25ish for 14 days.
    Not strictly correct.  You don't need to purchase a plugin to get these free trials.  They become available after you install the card.  The software that comes with the card includes all the plugins.  The ones that you have purchased show as "registered" and the others are each available for 14-day trial.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 21:53:41 (permalink)
    Philip

    The Stud. A-800 only comes *free* with the $5k omni, iirc.  Buying the Neves pack, the ebay (w/*freebees*), etc. never includes that tape-harmonizer (a couple hundred $$$).
    The Studer plugin is available for $349.
    http://www.uaudio.com/sto...800-tape-recorder.html

    The cheapest card (UAD-2 Solo) costs around $400.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 23:28:55 (permalink)
    While most all of the UAD plugs are very, very good...there are many that are not the preferred plug in their genre anymore and/or can be had better for less natively.  I own most of the UAD line and if I had it to do all over again can name several I would pass on.  In fact, truth be told, with only a handful of exceptions, I might opt to skip UAD altogether and buy native only now.  Don't get me wrong.  I love many of my UAD plugs and think they are far superior to most others on the market.  But that superiority is changing and ebbing every day.  There are several better alternatives natively for sale now.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/23 23:41:29 (permalink)
    Thanks Kev and Yoro,

    Your thoughts are most excellent.

    Kev, it would have to be a quad at about 3x that, a solo is probably little different than a dongle, and couldn't handle verbs.

    Yoro, I share your hopes and am post-poning until the right deal comes along.

    Yoro, if you don't mind naming a few UAD plugs that are relatively obsolete to your excellent mixes now ... so I don't rush headlong into wasting $$$ into personal greed and expectation bias.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 00:00:18 (permalink)
    Philip

    Kev, it would have to be a quad at about 3x that, a solo is probably little different than a dongle, and couldn't handle verbs.
    I only have a UAD-1e, which is a lot less powerful than a UAD-2 Solo, and mine can handle several instances of RealVerb, DreamVerb or EMT 140 Plate without any problems.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 00:06:26 (permalink)
    Thanks Kev, than I'll re-consider the duo based on your validations.

    I was thinking of multi-tracking the A-800 and such ... I'd be bouncing audio fx's a lot (like Melodyne) for portability on the lap-top DAW.

    I've read guys who have 2 quads to extend their plugs to *infinity and beyond* haha!

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 00:29:40 (permalink)
    Maybe it's worth checking out the UA forums for further advice before proceeding:
    http://www.studionu.com/uadforums/

    Also check for motherboard compatibility:
    http://www.uaudio.com/sup...herboard-compatibility
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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 00:37:53 (permalink)
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    Kev, it would have to be a quad at about 3x that, a solo is probably little different than a dongle, and couldn't handle verbs.
    I only have a UAD-1e, which is a lot less powerful than a UAD-2 Solo, and mine can handle several instances of RealVerb, DreamVerb or EMT 140 Plate without any problems.
    Here is some detailed guidance on the capacities of the different cards;
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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 01:37:17 (permalink)
    Wow Kev, you are extremely thoughtful!!!  Based on that chart ...

    It looks like on the duo:

    the Studer might run 12 instances (and nothing else running I presume),
    Pultec 32, and
    Fairchild 38. 

    Of course the DSPs may be more-strained with combos.  Still thats about what my natives get in Sonar 64 (for *similar* tape harmonizers like alloy and ozone with so many instances of Sonitus EQ (which I prefer for automation) and delays, comps and limiters.

    The duo is $0.9k new ... the quad card is $1.5k.  Ebay sometimes has deals but UAD tech support eschews these, iirc.  (I'll call them again).

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 05:03:13 (permalink)
    Hi Philip,

    $5000 is indeed a lot of brass, but that is the top end card with the full shooting match of plug-ins.

    I was lucky and got put on the path with the much less scarily priced solo card and over time I've accumulated the plug-ins for it I really, really wanted.

    If you can resist the temptation UAD offer good deals along the way and offer some really good discounts that make your purchases much less painful.  Also as soon as you install the software ALL of the plug-ins are available in demo form so you can really put the plug-ins you are interested in through their paces.  These demo periods are reset by UAD from time to time too.

    Spending $5000 in one go is expensive and you'll come into the picture with everything available, but real cost of ownership is far more agreeable once you've got yourself on the path and stick with the purchases that are the REAL 'must haves' for your particular requirements.

    My solo card gets plenty of use, and I love it.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 07:37:01 (permalink)
    Thanks Jon,

    Yeah, I hate throwing away money despite my got-to-have-it-all ego.  I did like you with the EWQL synths, knowing I'd only home in on half and forget the rest.

    Inspiration and polish are such fickle muses.

    I'm starting to find better deals on a new card on Ebay (and on used ones (to somehow transfer licenses).  IIRC, UAD tech does not support used cards, and transferring licenses must be done in advance.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 08:35:55 (permalink)
    Philip

    I'm starting to find better deals on a new card on Ebay (and on used ones (to somehow transfer licenses).  IIRC, UAD tech does not support used cards, and transferring licenses must be done in advance.
    UA provides a licence transfer facility on their website.  Obviously the buyer and the seller need to each have a user account.  You can create a user account in advance of your purchase but the transfer is usually carried out after the buyer receives the card.

    But it is only possible to transfer ownership of a card either with all of its registered plugins included or with none of them included.  Being selective with plugins is not allowed.  Selling plugins individually is not permitted either.

    Lack of support only refers to the hardware.  Software updates are available to all registered users.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 10:16:15 (permalink)
    The only problem w/ the Omni package is that UA is releasing "new" models of old stuff all the time.  No matter when you buy you'll want something else.  It is the way of software (look at SONAR!).

    A lower-priced card - ie. one without every damn plug-in UA makes - lets you pick and choose.  You can also wait for their specials, which is a good way to pick up a wanted plug w/o paying out the nose.  Of course, that means dicipline and not whipping out ye old card with the "I gotta have it" attitude.

    The other great thing is you can demo plugs before buying.  You may find that having the 1073 and 1081 Neve isn't necessary - the 1081 is fine 99.9% of the time.

    If it was me, I'd rather get the quad w/ less plugs and add them - making sure I really could use the ones I have.  that way you won't run out of dsp, until UA releases the "Beatles Board" plug which takes an 8 core model. ;-)

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 12:19:59 (permalink)
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     until UA releases the "Beatles Board" plug which takes an 8 core model. ;-)

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 13:02:21 (permalink)
    Yeah, I own a Quad UAD-2 card and I didn't break the bank when I initially got it and got all kinds of plugs for it.  I've slowly evaluated the plugs that they had and came to prefer a select list of plugs:
    1. Helios - great EQ
    2. EMT 140 - plate 140 is a great reverb
    3. Precision Buss Compressor - great on the master
    4. Precision Limiter
    5. Studer A800 - great sounding tape emulator
    6. Manley Massive Passive - just plain sick!
    7. Neve 88RS - great for air on the ambient drums.

    Plenty of others that rock as well.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 14:23:31 (permalink)
    My most recent UAD-2 go to plugs (I own everything up to the Studer)

    1. Helios - great EQ for Bass
    2. EMT 140 - plate 140 is a great reverb for everything
    3. Studer A800 - great sounding tape emulator for drums
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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 14:30:36 (permalink)
    Here's a short list of UAD plugs I have but no longer find myself using.  Not that they aren't good, mind.  Just that I now instinctively reach for another plug in my arsenal.

    Cooper Time Cube
    PulTec
    dbx
    precision eq
    Cambridge....although it is very good....grab FabFilter ProQ instead
    precision limiter...same as above...grab FF Pro L

    all good...just hardly ever use them anymore.



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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 14:37:22 (permalink)
    As myolpal knows, I just can't seem to get behind the Manly MassivePassive.

    I've never used the Little Labs IBP thingy or Cambridge either.

    I have used the PulTec but only once.
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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 15:57:52 (permalink)
    Ah yes....even tho the Massive is the Bestest thing evah!!

    Pultec my finger.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 16:09:50 (permalink)
    Ah yes....even tho the Massive is the Bestest thing evah!!


    The Massive lives on my master buss as do the Precision Compressor and Limiter.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 17:40:13 (permalink)
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    ...no longer find myself using...
    PulTec
    ...just hardly ever use them anymore.
    Do you mean the free Pultec or the Pultec Pro, or both?

    I use the Pultec Pro often, particular on guitars, or anything that requires extreme EQ.

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 22:49:40 (permalink)
    The Pultec Pro is great...I just don't find myself reaching for it anymore.

    Also...yes, I'm serious...The Fatso.  It's sometimes amazing but I rarely use it.  (Although I'm determined to learn it better and see if it will prove more useful for me).  Again, these are not bad plugs.  They are mostly very, very good.  I just find myself reaching for others.  And when you're talking about spending over $200 bucks for something you rarely use...well, I'm not in that income bracket;-)

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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 22:56:16 (permalink)
    yorolpal


    And when you're talking about spending over $200 bucks for something you rarely use...well, I'm not in that income bracket;-)

    Agreed. I'm pretty sure I have never paid full price for any of the plugs. I started out on the base UAD-2 Quad. Bought some of the final UAD-1s and parlayed those vouchers/coupons into some hefty savings with sales (and used the cards as tradein for a laptop solo). All in all (at last tally) I've spent about 3.5K on everything through Studer. 


    Not sure I'll ever get the Lexi 224 and I'm hesitant on the three new things (Ampex, Brainworks EQ & Vitalizer). I've yet to even demo them. Maybe next year when a 30% off on three or more "make your own bundle" comes around.
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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/24 23:27:03 (permalink)
    Well, I quite like what the Vitalizer does and I also like the the Lexi 224 and the new Master Tape emulator.   But I'll have to wait for a "drastic" sale...which I'm sure won't be long in coming.  It's kinda funny...the other day I was showing my old business partner (who makes good money now in a big corporation) who is a phenomenal guitartist (and who has a "rudimentary" DAW setup that's about 6 or 7 years old) what's new in the "state-of-the-art" studio environment, and he was totally blown away by the power and scope of the software tools available now.  I think he's about to spend some money on a new setup.  So I'm doing my part to keep the economy moving;-)


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    Re:UAD Quad Omni ... back up to $5000 2011/10/25 19:43:09 (permalink)
    Again, you guys are awesome ... but especially, LixiSoft, Bapu, and Tyaco!

    You've patiently spent big $$$ (equivalent to the Omni ... haha!).  And you've listed your 'must-haves' ... which will become my must-haves I'm suspecting.

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