ob1peanut
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UAD or RME
Looking at a new audio interface and was hoping to get some thoughts on which might be better. UAD2 Duo or RME UFX. The DSP is nice but not a must, I am mostly concerned with pre's, drivers and latencies within sonar.
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 00:13:00
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Are you talking about the Apollo UAD interface? The UAD Duo is simply DSP. The Apollo is the interface w/ UAD dsp. For that kind of money, unless you need a lot of in/out, I'd get a used UAD 2192. It is a stereo ADDA designed by the guy that makes burl now. Otherwise, lynx. No pres w/ either unit, but you can add your own.
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 01:18:22
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RME has a great reputation for solid drivers and quality pres. If you are considering a new interface for use with SONAR, then you might be better off with RME over UAD since many UAD users have had problems with SONAR as you may find by doing a search in the SONAR forums.
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ob1peanut
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 09:31:09
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Yes it is the UAD Apollo interface
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 12:14:45
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ob1peanut
The DSP is nice but not a must, I am mostly concerned with pre's, drivers and latencies within sonar.
You are probably better off with the RME then. Excellent low latency drivers and solid SONAR compatibility. I purchased an Apollo QUAD because I use a lot of UAD plug-ins and to be able to finally use them with near zero latency when monitoring/recording (like using hardware) has been the audio holy grail for me (and many others) since I started using the plug-ins back in 2002 with a UAD-1 card. So naturally I purchased one within months of it's release. There is currently an issue in SONAR X3 with using the plugins in the Prochannel FX chains. Personally, it does not affect me as I use the UAD plug-ins in the normal FX inserts/buses which work fine. It appears to be a SONAR issue, because using the latest UAD v7.4 in SONAR X2 the UAD/Prochannel combo works as expected. Take the same project into X3 and the plug-ins become disabled. I think Cake needs to take a look and see why that is happening in X3 and not in X2 using the exact same plug-ins and UAD version. I am sure Cake will get it sorted soon with an update (maybe a quick fix update would be appropriate here?). Otherwise, the Apollo works fine with SONAR. People buy an Apollo for the near real time UAD processing, if that is not at or near the top of your list, then there is really no reason to get one. Cheers, Billy Buck
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 12:33:00
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The only reason to get the apollo is the effects - you can record them (or mix w/ them). The effects are very good - I know professionals who have dropped their hardware because UAD is close enough and repeatable, which is a pain w/ hardware. The only thing I know about the apollo as interface is what I've read. Good, not great hardware and the software drivers etc. seem to work. RME is good hardware, while the drivers and software are top notch.
A couple of points - the UAD emulation is top notch but native stuff is getting better all the time. I"m perfectly happy w/ the Cakewalk emus for optical comp, EQ; the softube stuff for eq and 1176; and the nomad for "color" and delay. And I see you have the TCK 48. Superb hardware - equal to the RME and Apollo for conversion and preamps. And the built-in effects are limited compared to UAD but what is there is very good. If it is working for you, you are moving lateral rather than up. Lynx might be a half step up, but as far as conversion you should be fine unless you are really spending some money.
So, the above muddies the water more. You could get a UAD card for effects and keep the TC and be happy. Or go Apollo and record w/ the UAD effects. Or get an RME and stick w/ native effects which should be fine. Or add outboard hardware (preamps/comps/FX) to your TC. That is what I've been doing. I like recording w/ a nice input chain to add analog transformer saturation and a bit of compression going in. Works w/ the SONAR digital very well, and no complaints about the TC conversion. I just wish TC would offer a retro-fit for USB, but it would probably take them years to work out the kinks like they had w/ their FW drivers. Of course, that is how I picked up my TC cheap, so I guess I can't complain.
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 19:45:04
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RME all the way if you want the best low latency performance and drivers. Pres are fine as well. If you want pres with some attitude, you can always add a hardware pre at some point. I bought an RME UCX a few months ago. Great unit. Great software.
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Bonzos Ghost
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/22 19:45:04
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RME all the way if you want the best low latency performance and drivers. Pres are fine as well. If you want pres with some attitude, you can always add a hardware pre at some point. I bought an RME UCX a few months ago. Great unit. Great software.
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ob1peanut
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Re: UAD or RME
2013/12/24 14:18:20
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Well the main reason for getting rid of the TCK48 is I am having issues with latency and dropouts, other then that a do like the unit. But when in the middle of a project you start getting pops and clicks the frustration is overwhelming.
I have just tried the Apollo and the pre's are great however it has only 8 analog inputs and when recording and playing back it would stutter. I am shure that this could of been solved if I would of worked on it but experience tells me that if I have to make it work I will always be trying to make it work. (so was my experience with the TCK48) So I just purchased the RME Fireface UFX with the remote and loving it. No stutters no pops and no latency without even trying. To compare the Apollo to the RME I would say: The pre's are good in both however I do like the Apollo pre's better. However the overall sound out of the RME does seem better, not as harsh perhaps (maybe the AD/DA converters) and much more in hardware features and definitely the best routing software.
Thanks for your input:)
Anybody looking for a TCK48 in great condition? Mines for sale with a great price for a needy home:)
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