UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Yes , not convinced by the integration with the VS-700C too.

Right there with you

Thank you, Ryan.  That document was exactly what I needed.

I'm sure that Cakewalk had to make the decision on whether to confuse some of us VS700 owners or the rest of the X1 Producer customer base by moving the controls on the ProChannel. I'd even bet that the 3x4 control layout on both the ProChannel and the V700c is just a coincidence. I was not at all surprised that we lost out on this one. 

In addition to the ProChannel, I probably have 50 different EQs and compressors. I have already had to learn to use the V700C's LCD displays when making adjustments for the other plugins. Unless you're only using the ProChannel, eventually you have to get used to looking at the LCD display on the V700C.  Besides if you're staring at the controls on the screen, wouldn't it make more sense to simply use the mouse to control them.

For me it's really not a big deal (or much of any deal) if the controls don't exactly map to one specific plugin on the screen. I've also learned that its best NOT to look at the screen when making EQ/Compressors adjustments, we should instead learn to rely on our ears...That's how the pros do it. 

-e.B

ProMusic27

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Hi ProMusic27,

The VS-700C surface encoders control what the printed labels on the surface indicate. So, if you're on the ProChannel EQ module, and the encoder is labeled "FREQ", that's what you can expect it to control in the ProChannel GUI.

It's easier to rely on feedback from the LCD on the VS-700C since there are so many controls in SONAR that are mapped to a small amount of buttons. I got pretty quick in my first session with the VS-700C and ProChannel by pressing the [DISPLAY] button on the surface and studying what controls were listed on the LCD for the corresponding set of controls.

I understand that the physical assignments are not in the same location as the virtual knobs, however there's only 12 encoders and 4 buttons in the Channel Strip control section. Add up all of the controls on the ProChannel's EQ, two Compressors and Tube Saturation and you're bound to have things that don't fall in the same physical location.

If you haven't already seen it, we did provide a new document with all of the changes to how the VS-700C controls SONAR X1. You can find this on our site at http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013235

Hopefully this document is helpful for getting started with the new implementation.

Thanks Ryan... In fact, i had read and understood the idea behind it... But didn't like at all... I don't wanna look my control surfaces labels to work... I would like to have everything in the same position (just this simple)... Because, I work looking to my screen, not to my VS 700 C... 


It is like a car... You don't look to the pedals... Instead, you look to the road... Isn't it? Can you imagine drive with the pedals sequence changed??? Or turnig steering wheel left and the car going right??? Come on...


I know there is a lot of other functions to control and, then, all this labeling idea is now gone (why labeling it, in first place???)... So, what the matter with this labels...??? There were not respected in first place, when ProChannels was conceived... Why try to respect them now???


Did you guys made a survey about that? The majority prefers keep the labels???


Well, my friend, Thank you anyway...


Peace.

You could always make your own cardboard cut out tp put over that section as a skin OR even your own stickers to cover teh labels on the desk if it realy is that much of a show stoper for you.

I cant say much I work to the Desk and have the screen pritty much on track view al the time I dont see any need for me to go in to console view in sonar ( I do some times just because It looks cool though ;)

If you think about it the desk really is just your console view but with hands on control there really isnt a need to use the concole screen at all if you have the desk. I cant think of anything off the top of my head that the desk cant do with out going in to that view.

So just think of it as your VS-700c is actualy that screen and then keep the monitor on Track view then its happy days :D

Just my opinion though anyone agree or am I just in a wee world of my own here and missing something ? this wouldnt be the first time haha

Norrie

bentedgz


C'mon guys, call it what it is - our $4000 hardware doesn't physically match the UI because it's more important for Cake to market the resemblance to someone else's channel strip.

It's supposed to look like a ripoff... otherwise it might not sell as well??

aaarrrgggh!!

EJ

Sorry but I dont belive that for a second. X1 would still have sold with out that so thats just crazy talk.

This isnt as big a deal as its being made out to be
 
like I said in posts before we have ACT so now is the perfect time to use it ...... Simple. :)

Norrie

Norrie


You could always make your own cardboard cut out tp put over that section as a skin OR even your own stickers to cover teh labels on the desk if it realy is that much of a show stoper for you.

I cant say much I work to the Desk and have the screen pritty much on track view al the time I dont see any need for me to go in to console view in sonar ( I do some times just because It looks cool though ;)

If you think about it the desk really is just your console view but with hands on control there really isnt a need to use the concole screen at all if you have the desk. I cant think of anything off the top of my head that the desk cant do with out going in to that view.

So just think of it as your VS-700c is actualy that screen and then keep the monitor on Track view then its happy days :D

Just my opinion though anyone agree or am I just in a wee world of my own here and missing something ? this wouldnt be the first time haha

Norrie

Hey Norrie... A cardboard would be a little clumsy solution, I am not disrespecting your sugestion, just imagining such a nice piece of hardware with a cardboard...


The thing, to me, different from the pros (as eBlue mentioned), like to have this visual representation/reference... With the console, i have to navigate thru "displays" to have the hole scenario (gain, level, freq). I already have to navigate thru pages to have access to as much functions as possible, don't expect other solution for it, but, I would like to keep my eyes on screen when simply tweaking knobs to equalize something, having all information on screen, like when we do it with the mouse.


You prefer to navigate? Your work flowing better this way? This is curious to me.


Aaaaaaand, thats it ma friend!


Peace.

Norrie


I was being silly about the card board cut out but if it realy is that much of a deal to you then whats your options ????

I dont htink your understanding the whole point when I said the desk is realy just the concole screen but at your finger tips there is no need to look at the screen just look at the desk and use your ears

Eblue was exactly right with what he said !

I know, and laugh a little here...


I also understand the thing with console... About the pros... There is many kinds of them, they are, for sure, different, with many ways to achieve results... But I am not taking it personally, and not intenting to be rude...


I can see, in your "avatar" that you have only one video monitor... I have two... Don't wanna have track view in both, in fact i got track view in one and console view in another, thats the way I work...


I am tryng to configure with ACT the way I think it should be (for me). Having some difficults like, how to adress to nothing something that is already adressed?


I will also try to work like the pros (kkkk, I am just kiding here), find if i can get used to...


Thats it Norrie...


Will not invide me to know Scotland?


Peace.

As we diversify into the 'monitor topic'... the 700C DOES indeed make the console/track view switching so much easier I have to say. As I learn the 700C more, I am using the screen less for console view admittedly. It is nice to flip it up from a single button push to see it in a glance across the breadth of 2 monitors though with tracks (narrow view) on the left and busses on the right monitor.

The 2 monitors however does still over a wide shot of the track view which is always handy for this person.... maybe a large wide screen and a single smaller one for plug ins? That may be the way I end up when the new space is built...

Cheers fellas!

Maybe I am an monitor collector with OCD problems...

 
ProMusic, you have G A S. Gear Aquisition Syndrome. Don't worry you're here in the main ward.

'Main Ward'??? HOW TRUE!

Curious about what video cards you guys use for dual DVI.... PCIe & fanless is what I'm keen to source. Current card has only one DVI and the difference between the two displays is starting to get old... time to change over methinks.

Suggestions? Sorry for off topic but the thread seems to involve a lot of monitor discussion now.

Cheers.

ProMusic27

Mully


'Main Ward'??? HOW TRUE!

Curious about what video cards you guys use for dual DVI.... PCIe & fanless is what I'm keen to source. Current card has only one DVI and the difference between the two displays is starting to get old... time to change over methinks.

Suggestions? Sorry for off topic but the thread seems to involve a lot of monitor discussion now.

Cheers.

No Problem Mully...


I am feeling lazy to start another topic... But I believe i just find another bug...


Sometimes, when dealing with VST intruments, some of them modulates in VS 700 C meter and others doesn't...


Like the thing witn selected channels... When selected thru console, software responds,when selected thru software, console doesn't respond...

By the way, my card is GeForce GT430, not a big deal, with 1 VGA, 1 DVI and 1 HDMI, this last one I am hoping use (if it works for) as the 3rd monitor, for a 42" Full HD TV... But I am not sure if it will expand my working area or only repeat what I already have.

Peace.  

I am feeling lazy to start another topic... But I believe i just find another bug... Sometimes, when dealing with VST intruments, some of them modulates in VS 700 C meter and others doesn't..

What VST Instruments ? Can you be a bit more exact on this ? Cakewalks own or 3rd party ?

OR both ?

On your other note I am Useing a NVidia 1gb it has the saem out puts as yours but I cant remember the model number and I am nowhere neer my DAW.

I am not sure about the 3rd monitor thing but I dont sdee why it wouldnt unless when you plug in the HDMI It calcels out the VGA

I will check mine and tel you but you could prob find out from the Nvidia site if it wil work or not

 

Hi all,
 
This is a known issue with 700 C meters not working on MIDI and Instrument Tracks. We tried to address it in the latest update and ran out of time. I know it is a something you all have talked about for a while and it's at the top of our list for a future update. No one is more dissapointed than I that we couldn't get a fix for it in this update. 
 
So, to anyone who still feels like we are abandoning 700 customers, we're not. This update was the largest update we have done for the 700 control surface since the original release. There is a lot more in this update than just ProChannel mappings. We've added MultiDock control from the surface and gave depreciated ACCESS PANEL controls new functions among countless other updates. You can download the full PDF (available in six languages) here:
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013235
 
Regarding the layout of the ProChannel - it was a 50/50 split on how to map the controls when we were discussing with customers and support. What is very important to remember is that we went with what we felt was a better "out of box" experience knowing that 700 customers can easily remap the controls to where they want them using ACT. This goes for almost everything on the 700 C.
 
Hope this helps,

Sorry - posted in wrong thread.

bentedgz


C'mon guys, call it what it is - our $4000 hardware doesn't physically match the UI  

Yeah that's it. Let's call it what it is.


The fact is not being upset or rant anybody but let's face it : our $4000 hardware doesn't physically match the UI.


Impossible to work around? Of course not. But... if the majority of users find it "acceptable" then what surprise will we get next?


Did you know Roland won't put out any new ARX board?  Am I shure, I don't work for them, so no. Is it possible? 99%.... Yeah, nobody care. 3 boards is more than enough.  Nobody uses them anyway, since we have a lot of soft synths, etc etc. The ARX expansion was a great selling point for me, as well as the Fantom. 


We have to tell when those things happens. If we simply accept this we will be at the bottom line of the priority list and the VS won't even be compatible with Sonar in 5 years!!


Stop trying to protect your product and let's be togheter and admit there are problems.  


Do people at Cakewalk deliberately messed the knob layout? I firmly believe they don't. But if we say we DON'T LIKE THIS, next time it won't happen.  That's all.