USB Audio Interface recommendations

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2011/02/16 11:56:21 (permalink)

USB Audio Interface recommendations

I'm a bit flush at the mo, just landed a great job, and I'm looking at upgrading from my 2-channel audio interface.
 
I play drums in a traditional rock band, ideally i would like to record our rehearsals with 6 channels of drums (2 overheads, kick snare and the toms mixed to stereo), plus bass, 2 guitars, 1 vox & stereo keyboard, a total of 12 channels into my laptop.
Is this possible with USB, or would I have to scale it down and mix the drums into 2 channels giving me 8 in total?
 
Another option is to midi the keys in which would free up a couple of channels for snare and kick, then mix the rest of the drums.
 
What is the limitation of USB?
I'm guessing it's the bandwidth of how much info is passed through the USB connection, rather than the spec of the laptop.
 
I do use a keyboard sometimes to control synths, but having the fastest latency isn't that important, an average one would do me.

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    Chappel
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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 13:49:46 (permalink)
    The Cakewalk UA-101 has 1o inputs/outputs that will show up separately in Sonar. I'm sure there are other audio interfaces that would also do the job. Another thing you might look at is a digital mixer.
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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 13:51:07 (permalink)
    1) you didn't mention any budget.  if budget is not a limitation then I have some recommendations.

    2) usb2 has plenty of bandwidth for multiple inputs recorded simultaneously.  I've done the math before but I forget the max number - but it's plenty.

    if you want to do it with USB then look at the RME UC
    http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/RME-Fireface-UC-Compact-36Channel-FireWire-Interface?sku=703646
    that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head that will handle that many inputs with USB.  most stop at 8

    firewire usually has higher input capabilities on the market (not necessarily because it's better, there are pros and cons to each) and you can easily daisy chain firewire interfaces for a lot of soundcards such as a lot of the MOTU stuff.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 13:55:45 (permalink)
    Chappel


    The Cakewalk UA-101 has 1o inputs/outputs that will show up separately in Sonar. I'm sure there are other audio interfaces that would also do the job. Another thing you might look at is a digital mixer.


    technically the UA-101 has only 8 analog inputs, the other two are digital.  BUT you can daisy chain 2 of them using that optical input/output and get 16 channels of analog input.  (and he's asking for 12 analog inputs)
    post edited by Beagle - 2011/02/16 13:57:01

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 14:01:13 (permalink)
    beagle..i took your advice and upgrade this weekend..i bought a makie onyx blackjack..it wasnt compatible with my sysyem(windows 7)they advertise it as...but the forums for makie are all saying no way...so i settled on a presonus audiobox...really like the sound nice and warm..basic features but nice little rig.
    as for the op the cakewalk ua-101 is also what i was thinking..i believe its up to 6 in/outs at 24 bit.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 14:04:31 (permalink)
    Beagle,
    I was just looking at the Motu Mk3 hybrid on ebay, and as you say it's expandable.
    Are you happy with it?
     
    It would be nice to have something that can be used when we play live as well.
     

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/16 14:31:40 (permalink)
    Charlie - mackie drivers have always been problems.  that's why I don't have them on my website for recommendations.  but the presonus is usually a good choice.  hope you're happy with it!

    curb - I am happy with the MOTU, but it has some limitations.  I have found on my system (in my signature) that it does not work without popping/clicking unless I use it with firewire and not USB and I also have to use ASIO driver mode and my firewire chipset in my computer had to be TI (I had to buy a PCI firewire card with TI chipset).  so it's not as versatile as I would like or even that it is advertised.

    but running in this mode it's fantastic!  love the converters they really sound much better than my older soundcard (m-audio delta 44).

    I've not used the expansion I only have the one unit, so I can't really comment on daisy chaining them and how well that works.  but that is one of the reasons I bought the card so that I could expand it in the future if I wanted to.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/17 17:39:53 (permalink)
    Something else I've just thought about, if I'm recording 7 channels of drums and 1 vox via mic's then whatever I get will need 8 pre-amps which bumps the price up to about double.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/17 18:11:34 (permalink)
    yes, or you can add a mic preamp to it

    MOTU has an 8 pre soundcard
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/

    and you can daisy chain them to get 16 channels of mic or line inputs for $1100.

    there's also presonus firestudio project that has 8 mic pres and it can also be daisy chained I believe
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FireStuProj/

    2 of those for about $1000.

    I was going to suggest 2 of the Roland/Cake UA-101's and a behringer ADA8000 for some cheap preamps, but the UA-101's appear to be discontinued.
    http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-ADA8000-Ultragain-Pro8-ADA-Converter?sku=182483

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/17 18:39:12 (permalink)
    I have been using the Tascam us 1641 which has 8 pre amps and 6 TRS inputs plus SPDIF and MIDI. SO a possible 16 analog and 16 MIDI. I have recorded 12 channels to an old Acer 2004 laptop running XP with no problem. I have not tried using MIDI at the same time but I don't see why not.
    They were clearing them out at a few places as low as $200. It is a solid , good sounding unit. The only issue's I have are related to my old computer. Theres a new model as well that has meters on the front. ALl my reading on the net has yet to find anyone complaining about the unit, only the usual driver issues that all interfaces seem to have.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 01:00:18 (permalink)
    That Tascam looks like the one, but it's not available in the UK
     
    Edit;
    The US-1800 has replaced it, I think I'll go for that.
    Thanks for the input guys.
    post edited by curb - 2011/02/18 01:13:04

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 08:21:23 (permalink)
    I hope those tascam drivers are good. 

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 10:30:27 (permalink)
    Yes Beagle, From feedback I've received they are now better especially under windows 7. Even the roundtrip latency has improved. The drivers for XP SP3 were the faulty ones for some of us So I have to use the original drivers and all is 100% with the one exception of bad RTL @ 26. I could get much lower if I purchase a faster computer. For the money they are a bargain for multi channel tracking. Tascam should make good stuff after all the history they have in multi track home studio set ups. 
    post edited by johnnyV - 2011/02/18 10:31:43

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 10:54:39 (permalink)
    good to hear!  yes, tascam should make good stuff.  often they have fallen short, however, when it comes to software, IMO.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 11:38:58 (permalink)
    Well, I've took the plunge and purchased the US-1800 today, drivers installed and now 16 ins to Sonar!! I'll let you know how I get on with setting it up after practice on Tuesday.
     
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    The salesman tried to get me to buy a more expensive unit until I pointed out the Tascam has 6 more inputs than the one he was trying to sell me, left him slightly red-faced!!!!
    post edited by curb - 2011/02/18 11:41:05

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/02/18 13:01:58 (permalink)
    A bit wierd this one!

    I've set up a keyboard (audio) on stereo inst input (9),
    Set an audio track up for input 9, with the output to Master and the Master to output 1 of the Tascam interface,
    Arm the track,
    Play a few notes, the meter goes up as I play the notes, but nothing goes to the master or output 1,
    Unarm the track, make no adjustment to the settings, play the track, recorded audio goes to Master and outputs through output 1 to the monitor speakers.
     Arm the track, play a few notes, nothing going to Master track.

    Am I missing something here?

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/13 18:33:32 (permalink)
    curb


    Well, I've took the plunge and purchased the US-1800 today, drivers installed and now 16 ins to Sonar!! I'll let you know how I get on with setting it up after practice on Tuesday.
     
    P.S.
    The salesman tried to get me to buy a more expensive unit until I pointed out the Tascam has 6 more inputs than the one he was trying to sell me, left him slightly red-faced!!!!



    I just got my Tascam US-1800 too, can yo uhelp me to get it connected with SOnar X1, i installed the drivers, but it's not bringing up my inputs correctly.
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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/14 09:46:02 (permalink)
    OK problem solved,

    From Preferences (P)

    Select Driver -> Asio
    Apply Changes

    Reload Sonar, and that's about it

    I feel silly reporting what I did to make it work, cause i tried it before and it didnt work.

    Also note:
    It didnt work properly in one USB Port, so I tried the other and it did.
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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/14 10:13:35 (permalink)
    apaul10..try some of the newer posts..i know your new so your doing the exact same thing i did when i came in here...lol..go to the main frum menu where it says forum menu..then go to todays posts...welcome to the forum man.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/15 02:50:17 (permalink)
    Sorry I didn't reply, I've not been on here for a while.
    How are you getting on with the Tascam.
    I'm struggling a bit TBH, I keep getting odd blips in the recordings, I'm not sure if it's the Tascam, if it's the amount of data I'm trying to stream through the USB (13 tracks of audio), or the average specs of my PC. When it works right the sound's pretty good though.

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/15 09:06:00 (permalink)
    13 tracks of audio thru USB 2 is not pushing the limits of USB 2.  USB 1.1 would do up to 9 simultaneous channels.  I don't remember the math on USB 2, but it's definitely higher than 13.  what kind of "odd blips" are you talking about?   are they pops/clicks like from latency problems?

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    Re:USB Audio Interface recommendations 2011/04/17 11:25:55 (permalink)
    curb


    I'm a bit flush at the mo, just landed a great job, and I'm looking at upgrading from my 2-channel audio interface.
     
    I play drums in a traditional rock band, ideally i would like to record our rehearsals with 6 channels of drums (2 overheads, kick snare and the toms mixed to stereo), plus bass, 2 guitars, 1 vox & stereo keyboard, a total of 12 channels into my laptop.
    Is this possible with USB, or would I have to scale it down and mix the drums into 2 channels giving me 8 in total?
     
    Another option is to midi the keys in which would free up a couple of channels for snare and kick, then mix the rest of the drums.
     
    What is the limitation of USB?
    I'm guessing it's the bandwidth of how much info is passed through the USB connection, rather than the spec of the laptop.
     
    I do use a keyboard sometimes to control synths, but having the fastest latency isn't that important, an average one would do me.
     
    I have a tip for you, do not buy low end USB interfaces.  I bought the TascamUS 144 and have still not been able to work with it.  It had some serious problems with recording.   Turns out it is the OS. I wouldn't advise you to buy any low end Tascam products for that matter.  There support guys will only give you the run around saying that it is the software or your computer no  their product.
     I have also heard about some bad things with their more expensive products.  I'm switching to a firewire interface and will not do any USB interfaces for a while unless it clearly states it supports windows 7 when it comes out instead of relying on drivers. I want to make music first then try to learn some technical engineering stuff not the other way around.
     
    So I would recommend a PCI, firewire interface or a higher end USB interface. Don't take my word for it, If you want some more advice, google this guy Jim Roseberry. He is an expert and has been doing this stuff for years.  He tweaked my machine for me so I should be ready to go with another interface.
    post edited by rain the producer - 2011/04/17 16:20:11

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