USB Interface as Sound Card??

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2014/05/26 22:54:30 (permalink)

USB Interface as Sound Card??

Hi, everyone. I finally bought my PS Audiobox. Basically, my headphones output on the front of my computer is shot, so I and my family want to are gonna have to this USB audio interface for leisure listening and stuff...
How do I set this interface up to do that?

 
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/26 23:21:27 (permalink)
    If you are using it for recording etc. I'd advise against it.  You probably won't have a problem but the various sample rates/bit depths/formats you'll find on the internet, youtube etc. can drive some drivers bonkers (my TC Electronic being the case).  And I don't understand what the headphone output being shot has to do w/ a family listening, but I'll skip that.
     
    If you must use the presonus you'll have to go to Windows<Sounds and choose the driver for the presonus to take over all the sound duties - if I remember rightly.  I'm on a windows 8 machine right now and have no idea how to do in in 8, but earlier OS's made it pretty painless.
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 08:23:54 (permalink)
    You can help the driver a little and reduce problems by setting your Windows bit rate/depth to the same settings you use in Sonar. That way, if you open a web page while you are in Sonar, the Audiobox won't go nuts trying to change settings. I've seen this fail periodically and you have to shutdown the Audiobox to sort it out. Having the entire system on the same bit rate/depth seems to help.
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 10:05:57 (permalink)
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 10:08:26 (permalink)
    I've used my audio interfaces since the late nineties as both recording/playback for the studio tracks and they also worked well for everything else (audio/videos) playing from the computer. I've only used 3: DAL Card D, Delta 1010 and the TC Impact Twin. My songwriting pals use the RME 800 and it plays nice with everything we throw at it from outside the daw software. I would suggest going into windows and designating the new interface as the default. I also set the sampling and bit rate for each channel through >audio devices > properties > advanced.  

     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 17:18:25 (permalink)
    I don't have a problem with my RME unit. I installed the drivers and use the ASIO drivers for Sonar, and anything else is whatever drivers came with it for Windows. In Windows you either mark the output 1 & 2 for Speakers or in my case output 3 & 4 for headphones output. Since in Sonar I have recording timing master as analog 1&2 and playback timing master as 3& 4 I just keep it the same. However if you have ADAT and wish to use that then on the Drivers output in Sonar you have to mark all of them with the checkbox or with the Input for the ones you have to use.
    In Windows 7 I mark the default in the mixer of Windows to the Analog 1&2 Input because that is what I would normally use (with ADAT marked in Sonar when needed and in the Windows OS mixer), and the output in Windows with the Headphone graphic I mentioned up above because I use the Analog 3 & 4 outputs which in Windows is that headphone graphic instead of the analog outputs 1 & 2 in which case in Windows that would be the graphic - speakers). I have changed sample rate (actually forgotten I had the unit on a different sample rate like 96kHz and have had no problems because places like utube or most places are using Flash on your computer from Adobe Acrobat.
    http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
    So since it is streaming from their servers unless you know that you need to change sample rate to the usual 44.1kHz
    or perhaps 48kHz with Windows Media Player, you just hook up your USB interface (and make sure the in-build computer one in the BIOS is turned off so it does not interfere - if you see it no more in Device Manager then you have set the BIOS correctly if you have a built-in RealTek whatever sound card in your computer). (Might as well get rid of the drivers by deleting it out of Device Manager if it shows and also un-installing the drivers or Windows 7 keeps everything like a packrat.
     
    I listen to music, record music and been using my RME Babyface for the last 3 years as the only sound card (actually it is an audio/interface) with no problems, watching movies whatever all goes through that USB audio/interface just as any sound went through your other sound card whatever in the computer.
     
    And to me most streaming music websites will be using Flash or something that even warrants that changing sample rate (always the bit depth is usually 24 bit but even if it is 16 bit I do not have to change anything maybe because the drivers for my audio/interface are that good).
     
    If unsure, ya, you can keep the sample rate at 44.1 kHz like a CD would be but I just found that out with mine and it did not make a difference. For movies I just use the normal 44.1kHz, but even then sometimes I have been on 48kHz for a movie, and Windows is suppose to have programming that transforms the signal into having the proper sample rate and bit depth (say even if that is necessary) so none of that has to be done anymore.
    The only thing I can not do like what could be done with XP OS, is change the volume on the output in Windows 7 because unlike XP, Microsoft changed since Vista how they program that. Now some websites may change the volume and sometimes I read like it is putting out 67% instead of the usual 50% but it does not do anything. Perhaps in XP OS it would and I use to be able to change it there and run up to 100% or down or anything inbetween. But since Vista, it makes no difference anymore, and if I want to change the volume up or down I do it with the software of my RME Babyface unit and the TotalMixFX program included with the RME drivers or with my computer speakers I have a volume and bass and treble control to change things. Yes, some videos are way louder than others normal ones, so that has to be watched because of the loudness wars they think everyone wants to put up with or hear their sounds louder for some reason. So I watch that in TotalMixFX program from RME and if a video does that, I down the volume in that program. Usually I would not have to because a good digital unit would have enough headroom even running in the red on some videos to not sound bad, but since they are running my unit in the red, I down the volume in that TotalMixFX program that came with the audio/interface.
     
    With a USB device it is better to look in Control Panel and make sure that the USB ports always have power on (not go into sleep mode) and that you have a good USB 2.0 port because some USB3.0 ports will not work correctly for a USB 2.0 connection. I have USB3.0 ports on my computer but I do not even use them as far as I know, and I just have my unit plugged into the USB front port on the computer, and you hook up the unit like any other soundcard with the speakers hooked up to your audio interface.
     
    That's about it, and nothing strange about it, just like any other soundcard you have to tell Windows what output you are using (even though all the ADAT ports are there as well as well as the HDMI on my graphics card for hooking up video and sound to an HDTV or a computer monitor that has sound and video which can be hooked up that way. Otherwise with just speakers (self-powered amp in those) you just run the audio cord like a balanced cord or guitar cord type with an adaptor if needed (my stereo amp has phono RCA inputs in which case I use an adaptor from the 1/4" phone plug balanced or not (like a guitar cable or synth cable) and go in my stereo that way using the adaptor connection on the end of the cable. If you have XLR outputs like on my unit then you need a XLR cable to a say 1/4" balanced (guitar) type cable or if the speaker has XLR connections and my unit has XLR connections then it be like using a microphone cable out of my audio/interface into the speakers XLR connection in the back of the unit.
     

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 20:36:41 (permalink)
    Oh, I forgot. Some people claim the USB port does not go off when turning off the computer. Mine does, so of course everything else turns off including the audio/interface. Otherwise it may be on all the time, and well, I don't leave my computer on all the time anyway.
     

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/27 22:08:52 (permalink)
    *most* of what you guys have said makes sense to me. My problem early on is simply that... my interface doesn't show up as an audio device. It's of course in device manager (under PreSonus USB 2.0 Audio Devices) but I get nothing for it in the "Sound" panel of Win7, etc... Before we continue, what's the fix for this issue?

     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 00:38:54 (permalink)
    My RME Babyface shows up in Device Manager, but in the mixer of Windows, only the Inputs and the Outputs show up, it does not say Babyface, well, yes it does, in the Volume Control Options, in which case, all I did was checkbox the All Devices Currently Playing Sound when right clicking the speaker icon in the system tray on the right hand side, which is set up in Control Panel something or other to have that icon in the system tray, or in Sound Icon in the Control Panel (and to show the speaker icon of Windows in the System tray on the right hand side of the Taskbar.
     
    There is also the Recording devices in Windows mixer speaker icon in the system tray and Playback devices also to select by right clicking the speaker icon in the Taskbar, and all my inputs and outputs for the Babyface show up there, but then the default I use are Analog 1 & 2 Input, and Analog 3 & 4 as the Output as the defaults. In Sonar in the Audio menu item in Options I have to checkbox all my inputs to choose the normal (what I use) analog 1 & 2 inputs (because I do not use ADAT but if checkmarked in the Drivers tab of the Audio submenu item under Options, I could use those on each track for an input. In Sonar then I am using my default Analog 3 & 4 for the Outputs which is reflected also in Windows as Stereo L and R, but if I was using ADAT as outputs also I would checkbox those also in Sonar.
     
    All Windows does is show all of the Inputs and Outputs from my Babyface, but with Windows you have to select one as the default - for Windows programs like Windows Media Player or whatever Browser you may be using or audio program that would work in Windows (and that uses the default devices for Windows because WDM drivers that came with my Babybface is what Windows uses for drivers only. It does not use ASIO drivers like Sonar can, so setting up Sonar bypasses what Windows uses for normal stereo L and R listening channels when selecting what to use as the default. So when watching movies, or utube using a Browser or any program except Sonar in Windows, then what you marked as the default is used for listening to music (or say recording if that was possible usually which is not because other programs like Windows Media Player only play back sounds).
     
    Well, not trying to confuse anyone, but Windows never uses ASIO drivers so the complete driver package I got from RME has both the WDM drivers for Windows, and also the ASIO drivers (used in Sonar for latency control in recording) when I installed the RME Babyface drivers.
     
    So the Presonus drivers should also have WDM drivers for Windows and ASIO drivers for a DAW included with their drivers.
    Otherwise I would contact Presonus to see if they have Windows WDM drivers for it. I would think they would have both kinds of drivers for use in a DAW also because with mine I can switch in Sonar whether to use the WDM/KS drivers or ASIO drivers or MME drivers for Sonar when recording.
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2014/05/28 00:40:11

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 00:52:03 (permalink)
    I would right now say that you are just looking at it wrong. And in Sonar you ought to be able to tell if all drivers are present in the Options menu item Audio submenu item where you change what drivers you want to use to record with in Sonar. Of course ASIO drivers are the best for audio wave file recording to record with, but if I wanted to I could use the WDM/KS drivers (Windows OS drivers) also to record with and have latency or even MME drivers (which are really bad for latency) to record with in Sonar.
     

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 01:04:28 (permalink)
    In other words, all sound cards for a computer have Windows drivers included that are called WDM/KS drivers for the designation. (they may also have ASIO drivers if you can record through the soundcard although some may not), and they also include usually the MME drivers which are not really any good at all in the drivers you install for your sound card.
     
    Or Windows will not see the sound card and keep asking you where are the drivers for your sound unit, or mark it as being un-usable in Windows (no drivers installed).
     
     

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 06:50:03 (permalink)
    ah, I get it spacealf! I did indeed NOT have WDM drivers downloaded. I only installed drivers out-of-the-box, I didn't look for updates on their site. I suppose now would be time to read up on the wealth of knowledge you guys posted in terms of sampling rates and stuff. Thanks a bunch, guys! If I need any help, I'll know where to look

     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 14:19:48 (permalink)
    My drivers do not show up separate, all of that is in the programs for the unit that are "drivers" when installed.
    So to me, a complete driver package included with the unit should have all the drivers needed. Like I said the easiest perhaps way to check is if you see them in Sonar in the Audio submenu item (on mine at least) in the Options menu.
    If you can switch drivers (on one of the tabs) then you have all the drivers, and Windows should be working with your audio/interface.
     
    Maybe someone who has such a unit can tell you if all drivers are included. I would think they would be, because any sound card like I stated made for a Windows computer would have the Windows OS drivers first, and perhaps include the others like the ASIO drivers and or MME drivers.
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    To use the Windows OS drivers (WDM/KS) in Sonar, first you have to do the Wave Profiler on the General Tab of the Audio submenu item under Options for Sonar.
     
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2014/05/28 14:22:18

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/28 15:30:04 (permalink)
    here is your drivers current version and manual in whatever language you like to read it in.
     
    http://www.presonus.com/support/downloads/audiobox-usb
     
    (drivers should have come with the unit, at least the older drivers version).
     

     
     
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    Re: USB Interface as Sound Card?? 2014/05/30 22:54:57 (permalink)
    Thanks, spacealf. I did in fact get it, it was in fact the exact fix, haha
    This box is great, it DOES let me run X3 with ASIO while Win7 runs on WDM. See, the CD that came with the Audiobox doesn't contain the installer for the WDM or MME drivers, only for ASIO. The box only showed up as it's own device, but now it is actually shown as an audio device. Pretty sweet! Thanks again, guys! 

     
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