USB Isolator

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2013/08/12 09:56:27 (permalink)

USB Isolator

I have a Yamaha DTXtremeIIISP edrum kit which I use to record midi (via USB) for later re-rendering using BFD2. While tracking, we monitor audio from the DTXIII brain. The USB midi from the DTXIII is USB 1.1, with cable length limited to 3 meters (per the Yamaha manual). The 3 meter cable limitation was a problem for me since the edrums are a ~18 ft cable rum from my DAW PC to the DTXIII brain. So, when I began using this kit, back in 2009, I purchased an IOGEAR GUE216 USB 2.0 Booster Extension Cable (16 ft). I plugged the GUE216 into my computer (the PC provides USB power to the booster).  I then plugged a 4 ft USB A to B cable into the GUE216 to run the remainder of the distance to my DTXIII brain. This all worked fine for midi via USB. Also, back in 2009, I noticed a small amount of hum in the audio from the DTXIII (unbalanced stereo audio outputs). I resolved this by inserting an ART DTI Dual Transformer Isolator, feeding balanced audio cables into my FF800. Jump forward in time to 2013, when I upgraded all of my DAW equipment, including the addition of an RME FF-UFX. My standards regarding noise floor on everything have gotten more strict. I became aware that there was still some background noise on the DTXIII channels into my UFX. This mainly consisted of a very low-level ~8 KHz squeal, which seemed to be related to the USB activity. I am now looking for a way to isolate the USB power/ground connection from the DAW PC to the DTXIII edrums to see if this eliminates the ground loop. Has anyone ever used a 'USB isolator' for this purpose? If so, was it successful?
 

Bob the bbdude

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    Re: USB Isolator 2013/08/13 08:04:03 (permalink)
    Depending on the design of the interface, could the USB "squeal" be related to crosstalk in the actual circuits? Possibly. If so, then no amount of isolation on the USB cable will help.
     
    Curious to see how the device would react if you dissected a crap USB cable for test and cut the shield wires/braid and provided a big gap between the two grounds. Not completing the loop may cure the problem.
    post edited by 2:43AM - 2013/08/13 08:05:16
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