dexterflex
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 291
- Joined: 2008/07/27 23:24:55
- Status: offline
USB interface okay for midi work?
Just wondering if a usb audio interface would be okay for working with midi orchestration. And will it allow me to use big templates as long as my computer can handle it?
|
AT
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10654
- Joined: 2004/01/09 10:42:46
- Location: TeXaS
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 01:08:52
(permalink)
The short answer is yes. Even USB 1 can output a single stereo output fine. Mutliple i/os need usb 2.
https://soundcloud.com/a-pleasure-dome http://www.bnoir-film.com/ there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
|
slartabartfast
Max Output Level: -22.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5289
- Joined: 2005/10/30 01:38:34
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 01:09:56
(permalink)
The interface is only relevant if you are trying to move large amounts of audio into or out of the computer at one time--that is what it does. So if you were trying to record from dozens of microphones onto an equal number of tracks simultaneously, the interface might not have the bandwidth to accommodate it. But MIDI is all done in the box, the files are all computer files in memory and the hard drive of the computer. All you ever need to get out of the box is a stereo (or surround) mix. The computer may need more memory to process a lot of tracks simultaneously, but the interface only needs to move a few tracks at once. You could do a full orchestra in MIDI with a very primitive sound interface.
|
dexterflex
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 291
- Joined: 2008/07/27 23:24:55
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 14:51:45
(permalink)
Thanks guys, I just got a 24" iMac and plan to use bootcamp to run sonar 8. My i7 PC & laptop will have most of the virtual instruments. I'm hoping to have a template of 300+ midi tracks. I don't plan to record more than 1 guitar at a time. Any advice as to what to get?
|
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1820
- Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
- Location: Monrovia, CA
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 16:20:53
(permalink)
ORIGINAL: slartabartfast ...But MIDI is all done in the box, the files are all computer files in memory and the hard drive of the computer. This is only true if you are using all soft synths and no external MIDI hardware. There are still those that are using multiple racks of hardware synths requiring multiple multi-port MIDI interfaces. (No...I didn't stutter.)
|
CJaysMusic
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 30423
- Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
- Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 16:25:40
(permalink)
The interface is only relevant if you are trying to move large amounts of audio into or out of the computer at one time--that is what it does Not only. An audio interface, like Echo, motu, RME and others will also provide superb drivers for better performance and higher track counts
|
John
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 30467
- Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 17:01:13
(permalink)
quote: ORIGINAL: slartabartfast ...But MIDI is all done in the box, the files are all computer files in memory and the hard drive of the computer. This is only true if you are using all soft synths and no external MIDI hardware. There are still those that are using multiple racks of hardware synths requiring multiple multi-port MIDI interfaces. (No...I didn't stutter.)
And or have a control surface and or a MIDI keyboard and or V drums or any sort of MIDI input device. A very bare bones DAW may only have MIDI that is mouse inputed or soft synth outputed but most have a need for some MIDI I/O. Not to mention MMC and what that can do.
|
AT
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10654
- Joined: 2004/01/09 10:42:46
- Location: TeXaS
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 17:15:03
(permalink)
I'm not a mac guy so I suppose you are looking at usb since you have no firewire. As Dan Tarbill sez, if you are doing external midi it is one thing - if you are playing back softsynths inside the computer you probably just need a stereo out. I suppose any of the current crop of USB interfaces would handle that w/o sweating. Don't have any suggestions. Do you have a price range? @
https://soundcloud.com/a-pleasure-dome http://www.bnoir-film.com/ there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
|
slartabartfast
Max Output Level: -22.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5289
- Joined: 2005/10/30 01:38:34
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 17:18:57
(permalink)
Above points well taken. Thank you John, dantabill, Do any who have corrected my comments think that a USB 2 interface will not do the job? I am a bit skeptical about the higher track counts being dependent on the audio interface, CJay.
|
CJaysMusic
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 30423
- Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
- Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/08 17:23:03
(permalink)
I am a bit skeptical about the higher track counts being dependent on the audio interface, CJay. all you need to do is to enable your onboard sound chip and disable your audio interface and see if your project plays with the same amount of CPU usage with the same exact driver settings. It doesn't. in fact the onboard sound chip will have higher CPU usage than an audio sound card with the same exact settings. There fore, you can have higher track counts with an audio interface and lower track counts with an onboard sound chip. Cj
|
jackn2mpu
Max Output Level: -47.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2765
- Joined: 2003/11/08 17:38:43
- Location: Soprano State
- Status: offline
RE: USB interface okay for midi work?
2009/07/09 07:55:13
(permalink)
ORIGINAL: slartabartfast Above points well taken. Thank you John, dantabill, Do any who have corrected my comments think that a USB 2 interface will not do the job? I am a bit skeptical about the higher track counts being dependent on the audio interface, CJay. The only thing USB 2.0 versus firewire would make a REAL difference on is moving ACTUAL tracks in and out of your computer (say recording multiple instruments, singers, whatever at one time or if you mix outside the box). Given well-written drivers (and there's the rub) any interface should not have an affect on the numbers of tracks you have playing in Sonar but only come out on a 2-track buss to your sound I/O. IOW, if you have 200 tracks in playing in Sonar but have your project set to output those to just a left/right pair, USB 2.0, firewire, pci/e - it don't matter. It'll all be good.
|