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Re: Warning about Udemy
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2018/02/03 19:53:44
Well this may be an exception. I have taken several courses at Udemy, and they were always run by professional course developers and instructors with expertise in their chosen fields. No piracy was ever suggested or offered.
This course requires that you need the FULL version of the DAW to participate, so when the instructor was told that the student was using a cracked copy, the instructor should have responded more appropriately. Sounds like some critters slipped through the cracks here!
The Udemy courses are provided by independent instructors and companies, so they are not employed by Udemy. I would imagine that once something like this gets reported, they will take corrective action. They have 30,000 instructors and 20,000,000 students worldwide, so there is potentially a little variance between the best and worst...
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 19:44:56
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I am not going to support software piracy, but I understand that many people in this world just have no other way to use the software (music, etc.). Long time ago I was in such situation. Imagine one VST plug-in cost $10000 and cheapest legal CD cost $1000. What you will do? Do not listen nor create music?
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 19:56:21
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I am not going to support software piracy, but I understand that many people in this world just have no other way to use the software (music, etc.). Long time ago I was in such situation. Imagine one VST plug-in cost $10000 and cheapest legal CD cost $1000. What you will do? Do not listen nor create music?
Seems like some hypocrisy there.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 20:03:07
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I think using cracked software for hobbyists, that don't make a dime out of it can be considered as learning or extended evaluation. But pros, who sell their services world-wide advising their customers to use cracked software break all rules. I believe, such people should be banned on commercial platforms.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 20:10:50
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Well this may be an exception. I have taken several courses at Udemy, and they were always run by professional course developers and instructors with expertise in their chosen fields. No piracy was ever suggested or offered.
This course requires that you need the FULL version of the DAW to participate, so when the instructor was told that the student was using a cracked copy, the instructor should have responded more appropriately. Sounds like some critters slipped through the cracks here!
The Udemy courses are provided by independent instructors and companies, so they are not employed by Udemy. I would imagine that once something like this gets reported, they will take corrective action. They have 30,000 instructors and 20,000,000 students worldwide, so there is potentially a little variance between the best and worst...
Yep this was odd to see on Udemy. They still have to police themselves. The instructor while decent is stupid. Image Line partners with Razor laptops. There was video of one of the Razor reps using a cracker version of Sylenth. He got harassed by people in Twitter. His reply was "WTF does it matter?" The next reply was "I do! All of your music is mine" and it came from Lennard Addink.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 20:10:51
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I think using cracked software for hobbyists, that don't make a dime out of it can be considered as learning or extended evaluation.
Yup, like running a copy of Reaper beyond 60 days without a paid license... 
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 20:26:09
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Soundwise
I think using cracked software for hobbyists, that don't make a dime out of it can be considered as learning or extended evaluation.
Yup, like running a copy of Reaper beyond 60 days without a paid license...
If you open it once a year just to tweak themes and learn your way around it. Not in case you do some work, like complete projects, particularly, paid-for recording/arranging/mixing.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 20:31:16
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Soundwise
I think using cracked software for hobbyists, that don't make a dime out of it can be considered as learning or extended evaluation. But pros, who sell their services world-wide advising their customers to use cracked software break all rules. I believe, such people should be banned on commercial platforms.
I don't want to derail this about using cracks but with something as large as Udemy lets something slip through the cracks the developer goes after the big guy. We are in an age where there is a fluctuation of competition in the software market where quality can be had at a low cost and even free.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 21:26:48
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Well Udemy did not crack FL Studio, or distribute a cracked copy. According to your post, a student apparently did. And if an instructor participated, it's on the instructor. too.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 21:28:45
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Udemy got big in a short amount of time. When I tried to make my first purchase from them just a couple years ago, I was surprised to discover that I couldn't pay for more than one course at a time. An email from their support confirmed it: There was no shopping cart, and if you wanted to buy three courses, you had to pay with three separate transactions.
They've since fixed that, but at the time I remember thinking that I had never come across such a glaring oversight in any web store page. It meant that the owner, at least in the initial phase, saw himself selling his courses, one at a time!
As far as vetting their instructors, I don't think there is much, if any. While some of the course instructors are well known, others are little more than enthusiasts in their given subject. I've been a customer for going on three years, and Udemy still feels to me like a hastily-thrown-together flea market for online courses. And just like with any flea market, the quality of goods - as well as the different stalls offering them - does vary greatly.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 21:38:26
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/02/03 23:17:07
I have emailed them and told them. And pointed them to this thread. What they do is up to them though I guess. I have been pretty happy with the Logic courses though. They are very thorough and well presented. I guess course quality can vary. But the Logic courses are great. So are the free Logic courses if all you want to do is get up and running for basic tracking etc..
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 22:14:52
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Well Udemy did not crack FL Studio, or distribute a cracked copy. According to your post, a student apparently did. And if an instructor participated, it's on the instructor. too.
One of the instructor's videos is about the VST Purity and shows you a link, takes you there, downloads it. They only thing he doesn't do is click the reg. crack because he already has it. I also let the Purity developer know. I posted this to the Udemy instructor: "Pay for your software. Should I screen capture your work so others can see it for free?" His reply: "Surel, you have my permission to waste your time screen capturing whatever you please(: As long as those "others" who are passionate about FL Studio learn something "NEW" from my work, that's all that matter to me." So like not paying for software?
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 23:16:31
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abacab
Well Udemy did not crack FL Studio, or distribute a cracked copy. According to your post, a student apparently did. And if an instructor participated, it's on the instructor. too.
One of the instructor's videos is about the VST Purity and shows you a link, takes you there, downloads it. They only thing he doesn't do is click the reg. crack because he already has it. I also let the Purity developer know.
I posted this to the Udemy instructor:
"Pay for your software. Should I screen capture your work so others can see it for free?"
His reply:
"Surel, you have my permission to waste your time screen capturing whatever you please(: As long as those "others" who are passionate about FL Studio learn something "NEW" from my work, that's all that matter to me."
So like not paying for software?
What they'd be posting would be the MP4 videos to YouTube or the pirate groups. Still, he's an idiot. If you make money off of your music - pay for your tools. If you have a day gig and only dabble - pay for your toys.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/03 23:29:23
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2018/02/03 23:48:24
I think we would all agree that we should pay for our software, and that is not even really the point to discuss here.
The question is what is Udemy's responsibility for an instructor using unlicensed software, and condoning the use of cracked software in the classroom. Clearly he is wrong if that is what is happening.
But I sincerely believe that the title of this post is a bit over the top, since Udemy is a legitimate company, and calling it a "Warning about Udemy" is a bit unfair and alarmist, based on the dubious actions of a single instructor (as far as we have evidence to conclude). So in all fairness at this point, it should only be a warning about this particular instructor and his behavior.
A simple analogy would be blaming Uber because one driver commits a crime. Are all Uber drivers now criminals? SMH...
I am sure Udemy will take action in this case, but unless they get reports like this one, how is a handful of staff going to police 30,000 instructors?
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 00:17:37
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When I was doing a course at a local technical college, one of the lecturers gave us a heads-up, saying "I'll bet that dozens of you are sharing the same copy of Microsoft Office, but don't tell me". He told us that he and his colleagues are aware that cracked software is always rife in the student community. But that students had to ensure none of this illegal software, nor any info about it, was to be shared with any of the college staff.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 00:43:33
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I remember when my dad got his first PC sometime in the mid 90's. He knew absolutely nothing about computers so took a night class at the local college. The teacher would bring a large box of floppies and CD-ROM's of cracked versions of popular software to sell to the students after class. I guess nobody complained because apparently he'd been doing it for years. Mind you, this was the north-east of England  When I was younger with a Commodore Amiga, everyone was pirating software. Games, tracker programs, you name it. I had a huge box of floppies of cracked games. Didn't even consider for one second that it was immoral. Besides, the cracked game scene back then was COOL! Every disc had an intro demo on it where the hackers would show off their demo skills, coding the most insanely complex 3D animations and music in sometimes just a few KB of code. You got to know the names of the hackers and you followed the scene by reading the scrolling messages. Cracked software these days doesn't have any of that charm  Besides, I think at some point you grow up and start feeling good about yourself for actually buying stuff fair and square.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 00:57:48
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I think we would all agree that we should pay for our software, and that is not even really the point to discuss here.
The question is what is Udemy's responsibility for an instructor using unlicensed software, and condoning the use of cracked software in the classroom. Clearly he is wrong if that is what is happening.
But I sincerely believe that the title of this post is a bit over the top, since Udemy is a legitimate company, and calling it a "Warning about Udemy" is a bit unfair and alarmist, based on the dubious actions of a single instructor (as far as we have evidence to conclude). So in all fairness at this point, it should only be a warning about this particular instructor and his behavior.
A simple analogy would be blaming Uber because one driver commits a crime. Are all Uber drivers now criminals? SMH...
I am sure Udemy will take action in this case, but unless they get reports like this one, how is a handful of staff going to police 30,000 instructors?
Yes Udemy can be responsible. Sorry but the Uber thing doesn't apply. Digital rights laws are different. It takes end users to report those issue. Here is the instructor's new reply. Welcome to 2018! lol yeah that too. Look you have my blessing to screen capture so do what you have to do((: Let me know when the job is done.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 01:35:40
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 02:06:44
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BTW Udemy is responsible since they took my payment.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 02:19:11
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kitekrazy1
BTW Udemy is responsible since they took my payment.
Agreed that they are responsible, especially now that they are aware of the problem! Good job on updating the post title too! That is a better summary of the issue. Rock on!
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 02:44:16
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I got a canned response from their FB messenger. I decided to post this on other forums. Asked for a refund, gave the tutorial a half star. Hopefully I wont have to change back the title.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 14:51:12
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Just a note, using Tracktion and free VSTs, VSTis and SFZ instruments you can make music completely free if you own anything resembling a modern computer and an internet connection available. It isn't FL Studio and Spitfire or OT but a decent DAW, fine effects and every major orchestral and band instrument are available free and legal. No one has to steal to make music.
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 16:37:14
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 20:10:53
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That forum is restricted to members who have logged in. Could you please summarize for those of us who don't feel like creating an account on the flstudio site?
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 22:33:55
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Re: Udemy instructor using cracked software
2018/02/04 22:38:26
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/02/04 23:16:27
Me
· 5 hours ago
Your video on the Purity download violates your agreement with Udemy. You should remove it.
Instructor
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My agreement with Udemy if just fine fyi. My course has be active, successful & helpful to my students for almost a year(no issues) (:You’re just really bored & jealous Paul. Your negativity is not welcome!((:
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/04 22:41:01
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/02/04 23:16:17
This is clearly a case of the instructor being out of line. Udemy should obviously shut down his course. I can see many points regarding piracy, but the black and white of it is that it is illegal and no legit course should be encouraging it.
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Re: Warning about Udemy
2018/02/04 23:46:00
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I think, you've done it all to inform the rights owner and Udemy staff. Maybe it's about time to calm down?
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