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Ugly DAW
Man!
I just saw the videos of the new Cubase 7... I am a huge fan of Steinberg's DAW but, I have to admit, I got very very disapointed... They changed the mixer window in such a ugly way... And they are offering a "mix" of Reason's and Sonar's solution in it... Now they have a kind of prochannel, a very ugly one, with the appereance of an ugly reason mixer... Plus, they are highlighting a "auto-arranger" function, to promote musicians creativity... Different than Cakewalk, when They introduce Skylight interface, with all the beauty (at least), Cubase is now uglier...
Holy ugliness
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Oh man!!!!!I'm with you 100%!!!Sonar GUI and console are almost real.Best.Roby
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I have noticed that many Sonar competitors are coping the Cake solutions.New Cubase channel strip (Pro Channel) and the Protools 10 well publicized (Tony Maserati!!!!) news of "Per Clip effect" that Sonar had already for a long time.
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ProMusic27
Man!
I just saw the videos of the new Cubase 7... I am a huge fan of Steinberg's DAW but, I have to admit, I got very very disapointed... They changed the mixer window in such a ugly way... And they are offering a "mix" of Reason's and Sonar's solution in it... Now they have a kind of prochannel, a very ugly one, with the appereance of an ugly reason mixer... Plus, they are highlighting a "auto-arranger" function, to promote musicians creativity... Different than Cakewalk, when They introduce Skylight interface, with all the beauty (at least), Cubase is now uglier...
Holy ugliness
I agree, the mixer is indeed ugly. I think the Band in a Box type features are actually great. It has a more robust notation editor (which should get better once the the former Sibelius devs have their way with it - could be a couple of years though). It doesnt' have a Matrix View. BUT - I think where they really dropped the ball, was not having dockable windows. I can just picture it now: windows spewing out everywhere. This seems like a bonehead move. I think Cube-heads were almost positive that there would be dockable windows.
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Yep!! Ugly as an ugly thing!
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Looks like a beginners Reaper skin.
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It reminded me of Orion, back in the days... Only uglier.  For a company usually as strong on the graphic side, the new mixer sure comes as a surprise. The rest of Cubase/Nuendo since version 6 is eye-candy, though it's not always the most ergonomic - something which the new miser addresses in part.
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I don't get the "ugly?" The X() scheme is ugly but nobody seems to care about that. What's worse about the X() theme? It's painful to the eyes.
I like the Har Bal type function that lets you match an eq curve of a recording of your choice.
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Not good. We're now in the war of ugly grey and blue GUIs. I think prochannel looks kind of tacky, so for Cubase to outdo that is only going to make the whole market start parroting ugly interfaces.
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Don't like the new GUI of Cubase 7. Too crowded and small!
If I ever leave Sonar I would rather go with Logic.
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I would go logic if I ever left Sonar, but I don't like all their 3/4 circle controls. Cubase has always looked like crap to me.
I really like FL Studio's dark look and it does some things so well, like the best piano roll view, never having issues with notes being off, and the ability to really go nuts with plug ins.
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DAW's are generally pig ugly looking things. Plugins, on the other hand....there are some beautiful GUI's among them.
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While I agree it would not win any beauty contest, you have to be aware the pictures are from a fully expanded view. You can collapse every module individual, per row or per strip. In practice you will only see some small strips above your meters, and only those modules expanded you use at that moment. The rows are divided in types, so you can open only all compressors at once, or eq etc. While I like the layout of Sonar more than Cubase, the layout of Cubase is not that bad. Tastes differ tough...
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DAW's are generally pig ugly looking things. Plugins, on the other hand....there are some beautiful GUI's among them.
Renoise is beautiful!! And the new DP 8 is not bad imho!! And I actually like the Cubase 7 new look. Clean, streamlined, retro/modern imho!! Here's one of a thousand Renoise themes... 
too many lasers...  Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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I think that just goes to show how tastes can vary.... I think that looks awful. 
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I think that just goes to show how tastes can vary.... I think that looks awful.
lol..
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I like the new Cubase look too. And the renoise one. I prefer stuff like that and Ozone rather than graphics that look like real things- that terrible new buzzword skeumorphism...
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Just had a look at the high resolution mixer screen shots for cubase 7. Whether it's good looking or not is up to personal taste ...
My problem would be the totally cluttered display with a thousand knobs on one page. In my new studio I'm using a 42" display mounted at the front wall (1.7m distance) to have nothing between me and my monitors. Works brilliantly with Sonar. Everything is just as readable as if you'd be sitting right in front of a 26" screen (especially with all that PC in place scrolling, show/hide features) ...
I doubt that would work with that Cubase mixer
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OK, so I looked at this video for a quick insight into what I am "missing" with cubase... http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&v=CfCWPHBqf_Q#! CUBASE 7 NEW FEATUERS: "Full screen mode for use across multiple monitors
view sets - customise what tracks are shown on the mixer
You can now add track icons in the mixer
access to headphone and monitor set up from the mixer
Quick access control - add plugins quickly from a browser" W O W Errrr, this is a joke right? LOL - that was only in the first minute and a half. I'm only pleased I chose what I believe to the most bang for buck DAW out there, not to mention this video has highlighted how much I take for granted in Sonar.
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Most graphic are cleaner and more direct “nicer” in SONAR X2 VS other DAWs but the overall color schema of Light GREY of the console view are far from the best. Lower the colors to a darker grey or black like Cubase, Pro Tools would be more preferably by many users. *Icons are very handy tool SONAR has but now Cubase 7 adds icons too for visibility reason in large projects of track counts over +100 tracks. Logic has it already and in Pro Tools you can color any track so you can find it fast and easy in the MXIER page/Console view. *SONAR only allow you be able to see maximum of 2 sends at the time and 3 inserts is not very helpful and very old and outdated. Pro Channel sounds good but I have still and use other 3part plugins that are far better mixing tools then the included Pro Channel. *Clips need to be continuously "resized" to fit the project "bars and beat" so it line up correctly. This is one bad thing that hasn’t been addressed in SONAR at all over the years. In Cubase, Logic, Pro tools this get line up and resized automatically. *Key command CTR+D = Duplicate/copy doesn’t exist in SONAR. It’s a universal key command in all other DAWs and “copy” and line up clips in a very fast fashion. *PRV tool/ Piano roll are very limited in SONAR compare to any other DAW. Try to edit a MIDI track that has track-lanes activated. Double click on Track1 , the second Track in the lane still show up in the background in Piano-Roll-View even though it is example muted? It is then very hard to edit or even see what note belong to each track in different track lanes... *Retroactive recording doesn’t even exist in SONAR. Exist and very handy feature in Cubase. *In SONAR working and making a “perfect take” is light years behind compare to other DAWs like Cubase and LOGIC. You still need to move it old fashion way, mute tool doesn’t really work in SONAR you can’t promote in tracks lanes etc. like in other DAWs. *Downmix a Synth is just still so old and outdate in SONAR. You need to select both the MIDI track and the SYNTH AUDIO Track to down mix a SYNTH to a new audio track. In Cubase you just select the MIDI track of VST synth and the rest takes care automatically. Same behavior in LOGIC. *Notation is full features in Cubase even if you don't need it or not. Sonar has a very simple one. *Working and scoring for film projects with Cubase- Nuendo is full set of features first class experience. Anyone that has work with film with SONAR knows that it isn’t the same experience. This is just small fraction of things that SONAR is still behind example Cubase. By saying all this, I still think SONAR is very potential program and very inspired to work with even with its flaws. Thanks for listening.
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ProMusic27
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*SONAR only allow you be able to see maximum of 2 sends at the time and 3 inserts is not very helpful and very old and outdated. Pro Channel sounds good but I have still and use other 3part plugins that are far better mixing tools then the included Pro Channel.
*Clips need to be continuously "resized" to fit the project "bars and beat" so it line up correctly. This is one bad thing that hasn’t been addressed in SONAR at all over the years. In Cubase, Logic, Pro tools this get line up and resized automatically.
*Key command CTR+D = Duplicate/copy doesn’t exist in SONAR. It’s a universal key command in all other DAWs and “copy” and line up clips in a very fast fashion.
*PRV tool/ Piano roll are very limited in SONAR compare to any other DAW. Try to edit a MIDI track that has track-lanes activated. Double click on Track1 , the second Track in the lane still show up in the background in Piano-Roll-View even though it is example muted? It is then very hard to edit or even see what note belong to each track in different track lanes...
*Retroactive recording doesn’t even exist in SONAR. Exist and very handy feature in Cubase.
*In SONAR working and making a “perfect take” is light years behind compare to other DAWs like Cubase and LOGIC. You still need to move it old fashion way, mute tool doesn’t really work in SONAR you can’t promote in tracks lanes etc. like in other DAWs.
*Downmix a Synth is just still so old and outdate in SONAR. You need to select both the MIDI track and the SYNTH AUDIO Track to down mix a SYNTH to a new audio track. In Cubase you just select the MIDI track of VST synth and the rest takes care automatically. Same behavior in LOGIC.
*Notation is full features in Cubase even if you don't need it or not. Sonar has a very simple one.
*Working and scoring for film projects with Cubase- Nuendo is full set of features first class experience. Anyone that has work with film with SONAR knows that it isn’t the same experience.
This is just small fraction of things that SONAR is still behind example Cubase. By saying all this, I still think SONAR is very potential program and very inspired to work with even with its flaws.
Thanks for listening.
Agreed... As I stated, I really am a HUGE fan of Cubase... Even more than Sonar... It always felt more "professional" for me... But I have only 5 posts at Cubase forum and, here, I did almost 300... I believe, besides Sonar being a powerful tool, the comunity is priceless... In fact, this forum is one of the great features Sonar have... CW should be really proud and thankful of having it... The grey thing in Sonar didn't bother me... What bothers me the most, in comparison with Cubase, is the limitation of channels classification... In Sonar, or it is a channel, or it is a buss... And buses are always stereo... We don't have a input bus (to record processing) and that's it... In Cubase we have input channels (as many as you're hardware can handle), with the ability of record audio processed (wich is something), a possibility to see audio channels, midi channels, rewire channels, fx buses (wich could be stereo or mono), group channels (wich corresponds to Sonar's buss section, where we place our fxs and groups, also could be stereo or mono), and a output section fully loaded with inserts and everything else (mono and stereo too) But, again, Cubase looks ugly now!
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Rain
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OK, so I looked at this video for a quick insight into what I am "missing" with cubase... http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&v=CfCWPHBqf_Q#!
CUBASE 7 NEW FEATUERS:
"Full screen mode for use across multiple monitors
view sets - customise what tracks are shown on the mixer
You can now add track icons in the mixer
access to headphone and monitor set up from the mixer
Quick access control - add plugins quickly from a browser"
W O W Errrr, this is a joke right? LOL - that was only in the first minute and a half.
I'm only pleased I chose what I believe to the most bang for buck DAW out there, not to mention this video has highlighted how much I take for granted in Sonar.
One DAW's revolutionary new feature is something users of another DAW take for granted. Like clip-based effects in Pro Tools (which was available in Samplitude way before it was included in Sonar, btw). Or Sonar's Skylight, which is an adaptation of Logic's GUI, as first implemented back in 2007, or screensets which have been part of Logic since forever. A good idea is a good idea, no matter who first gets it, and it's likely to be adopted by the others one way or another sometime in the future. So for anyone working w/ Cubase, most of those new features are most welcome I guess, because they only add to the other strengths which made them pick Cubase in the first place. For exemple, adding plug-ins from a browser. Steinberg took that concept a few steps ahead, because, we're not talking about the project's universal browser, but one that pops-up when you click the insert section, and which will let you search fro the plug-in by typing it's name instead of browsing through all your installed plug-ins. That's a nice touch, imho. Another thing - and one of the minor reasons which made me switch from Sonar to Logic - scalable mixer - in fact, scalable everything. For people working w/ a portable rig, it's often a must. It was for me anyway. And there's just no way I could have worked as comfortably w/ Sonar on a little laptop as I could w/ Logic. Heck, even on a big dedicated monitor, at high resolution, Sonar wasn't half as efficient. Now Cubase has it too. And hopefully, Sonar will also implement it in the future.
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anyone mentioned yet that sonar has since x1 mainly taken its screensets to where logic had been for almost a decade ? ;-)
btw... i really like x2 and i am very happy with the update but i wouldnt call the gui "beautiful" ...its useful
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I never particularly cared for the previous of look of Cubase, and I generally prefer dark GUIs, so this looks like an improvement to me. Not that I care, since I haven't used Cubase in years, but I do own Wavelab and I hope that the next version gets a similar dark GUI.
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Another thing - and one of the minor reasons which made me switch from Sonar to Logic - scalable mixer - in fact, scalable everything. For people working w/ a portable rig, it's often a must. It was for me anyway. And there's just no way I could have worked as comfortably w/ Sonar on a little laptop as I could w/ Logic. Heck, even on a big dedicated monitor, at high resolution, Sonar wasn't half as efficient.
Now Cubase has it too. And hopefully, Sonar will also implement it in the future.
+1 ... definitely would like to see this in a future version of Sonar!
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Rain
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Another thing - and one of the minor reasons which made me switch from Sonar to Logic - scalable mixer - in fact, scalable everything. For people working w/ a portable rig, it's often a must. It was for me anyway. And there's just no way I could have worked as comfortably w/ Sonar on a little laptop as I could w/ Logic. Heck, even on a big dedicated monitor, at high resolution, Sonar wasn't half as efficient.
Now Cubase has it too. And hopefully, Sonar will also implement it in the future.
+1 ... definitely would like to see this in a future version of Sonar!
Cakewalk would have to think really long, and really hard on it, because their current system is completely bitmap based (meaning, not easily resize-able). It'd require a complete re-write of the GUI. It also explains why you can't change colors either... It's a little bit unusual for an application that needs tons of screen real estate to do it that way, for the reasons mentioned. Time to walk away from MFC and write or find a decent UI class library, me thinks. Today, many applications do it that way and some do away with OS-based windowing altogether.
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Scalable mixer- that would be cool. Good to see Cubendo is going to have full screen support now too. One other thing that Cubase has appropriated from Sonar is legendary DAW know-it-all Undertow 
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Scalable mixer equals ugly vector based mixer. Next time you see a real mixer try to squash it with your bare hands.
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Hi,
I always thought Q-Base is really ugly and
it´s like a hit in the solar plexus, to work with it.
To me there has been no way,to grow this ugly
thing .
But I failt,the Q-Base has grown to a
(no one thought it´s possible,or ?) to the by far ugliest
DAW out there.
Have fun
Pragi
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Looks like a beginners Reaper skin.
LOL! That's exactly what I said when I first saw it. That's one cool thing about Reaper though that I wish we had in Sonar...you can go from their ugly beginner look to this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Rconsole.JPG and it totally changes your console experience. LOL! :) -Danny
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