Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review

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2005/02/22 09:15:32 (permalink)

Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review

A bit darker than our standard poppy claptrap...

Anyway, I give you Everyone's Burden, one of the few 'downer' tunes we do, for inclusion on next CD. Looking for mix AND song critique on this one, although the mix is probably gonna stay where it is.

Any thoughts / ideas, as usual, are always appreciated.

post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/22 09:23:42
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 10:52:27 (permalink)
    Dave

    Love it. Put me down for a CD when it comes out. This will be a standout track, I'm sure.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 11:53:29 (permalink)
    It sounds really good. What did you do differently? I mean this song compared to head first - there is no comparison as far as sound quality goes. This song sounds open and very full. Drums - nice...Nice work.

    The arrangement is good too and I like the song's content. Is that you singing?

    Again, nice work.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 12:29:24 (permalink)
    there is no comparison as far as sound quality goes


    This was tracked professionally for the last project, but only got included on the last CD print, which no one really ever saw. So I have all the mix parts available and we want to include it on this CD since it will be new to almost everyone. It was recorded through an SSL board to ADAT, so yes, it is going to sound better...much better. Funny how things sound great when you're paying $700 / day.

    I recomp'd some vocal takes to get the performance where it should be, remixed it a bit, and voila.

    Dan, you're a big drumagog guy...how do you like it thus far? I've got a rough mix I'm gonna release here in the next few days and I'm really thinking about replacing most of the kit. My drummer is the one who tracked most of the stuff and I'm having some serious issues with the sounds he got for all this.

    I haven't sprung for it yet but it's seeming like it's gonna be a necessity at this point.

    Yes, that is me singing (or shall we say oversinging).
    post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/22 12:38:38
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 12:30:35 (permalink)
    Dave

    Love it. Put me down for a CD when it comes out. This will be a standout track, I'm sure.


    Thanks Paul. It's not gonna be the best song on the album, but it will be the best 'sounding'.
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 13:09:30 (permalink)
    It was recorded through an SSL board to ADAT, so yes, it is going to sound better...much better. Funny how things sound great when you're paying $700 / day.

    Sucks donit? Oh well. Life must go on.

    Anyhow the biggest difference between this and head first was in the drums. Although that acoustic sounds darn good, too.

    Drumagog - absolutely indispensable AFAIC. If you were to use that on Head First it would be like night and day. On my wife's song compassion the drummer brought in this trashy sounding Ludwig snare drum from the 1960's and talked me into letting him use it on the song. It ended up sounding like dog doo - tons of ring and ugly overtones. No snap or punch at all. It was a terrible choice. Enter Drumagog; Replaced that POS with a well tuned, well maintained '59 Slingerland and now it's beautiful. No need to re-track and it's about as easy to use as you could ever ask for.

    Anyway - once again - good tune.

    Thanks,

    P.S. that “Compassion” mix is about 4 generations old now. It’s been updated several times but I never bothered to upload the new ones.
    post edited by danhazer - 2005/02/22 14:19:48

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 13:45:36 (permalink)
    Anyhow the biggest difference between this and head first was in the drums.


    Yep. I sent Jameson my kick track for Head First and he couldn't believe what I was working with. It really is frustrating. Jim swapped out the kick for Head First manually, it already helped tune the lower end goo.

    Drumagog - absolutely indispensable AFAIC


    That's really good to know. I have a feeling I'm gonna have to do massive replacing on most of my drum tracks come final mix time. I'm holding out until V4 comes out next week sometime.

    Thanks for the help and nice comments, man...I'll check out Compassion this afternoon.
    post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/22 13:57:02
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 13:53:28 (permalink)
    Sounds awesome, great song

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 15:30:31 (permalink)
    Hello David,

    Great tune, played and sung with a lot of emotion.. I hear nothing technically amiss..

    Awesome job!!

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 16:04:50 (permalink)
    Keg and Randy...

    Thanks.

    Esp. to Keg...

    For that avatar.

    Thanks.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 16:09:04 (permalink)
    Of everything I have heard of yours....this is by far my favorite. I still wouldn't call it dark.....but I think it has a much more serious sound than your other work.

    This track is easily the best vocal performance I have heard from you. The verse does that low dip thing that James Hetfield does...which is not my thing....but seems to be what a lot of people are into. Other than that one personal nuance....very nice indeed.

    All sounds extremely pro....the performance and the mix.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 16:27:28 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: rossipsu1



    Esp. to Keg...

    For that avatar.

    Thanks.




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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 17:15:10 (permalink)
    I still wouldn't call it dark.....


    It's dark comparitively... to things like 'Walk The Line'...scroll down the songs forum and you'll see what I mean.

    We get made fun of for that song...

    Thanks
    post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/22 17:22:49
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/22 21:08:59 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'm an Underhills fan now. This tune will add contrast to the CD. Only thing I'd mention is the snare sounds loose in the beginning - but that's a matter of taste. Great harmonies. You guys are filling the Toad the Wet Sprocket void nicely.
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 07:15:20 (permalink)
    Great harmonies. You guys are filling the Toad the Wet Sprocket void nicely.


    Thanks, Ed. And oh how I miss Toad...

    Grabbed Glen Phillips' new song off Itunes last week. It's pretty darn good...
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 12:58:45 (permalink)
    david - great song. i like the way you mixed the acoustic and electrics. strong emotional vocal. nice.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 13:59:45 (permalink)
    david - great song. i like the way you mixed the acoustic and electrics. strong emotional vocal. nice.


    Thanks Ken. Most of our stuff is acoustic rhythm based. Keeps me occupied while Paul wanks off with his electric...
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 14:53:30 (permalink)
    Hi David,

    this is an absolutely great song. I really like the "darker side" of the Underhills, although it could be much darker for my personal taste.

    Sound and performance are really outstanding.

    But.... (and sometimes I really hate to be the wiseass who finds something in every song) ...I have a problem with the acoustic guitar.
    I feel some kind of confusing preassure on my ears. The every tone seems to wander from the right to the left. So I checked this with headphones. It seems like the scratch of the pick over the strings is somewhat centered. But the sustain comes with a very little delay from the left. This is confusing, because there is no such thing in reality.
    Is the acoustic guitar mic'd with two or three mics? Near mic centered, room mic left?

    Most important question: Does anybody else hear that, or am I getting mad here?

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 14:56:06 (permalink)
    Most important question: Does anybody else hear that, or am I getting mad here?

    No you're ears are fine. I heard it too, but I rather like it that way. They sort of played with the phase a bit. Sounds like it had more than one mic. Sounds wide.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 15:10:32 (permalink)
    (and sometimes I really hate to be the wiseass who finds something in every song)


    Melf...

    Thanks for the kind words.

    You and Dan are right on with the acoustic guitar... It had 2 mic's that were X Y'd by hand...but there is also a very slight chorus that may be playing with you as well to broaden the spectrum on the acoustic. I do kind of like the sound, however, but I can play around to see if I can reduce the effect while keeping the spread.

    If you want dark...check out Triangle Mary

    I swear I must've gone off some type of medication when I wrote that one...
    It gets slapped by the originality police because of it's redundant progression, but it fit so perfectly amid our other tunes for the last project that we had to include it. We sometimes have an identity crisis...but it's all good. Keeps it interesting.
    post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/23 15:22:36
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 15:33:58 (permalink)
    Hey, I also like the sound, and I also like it wide spread. But my first impression was: there is something wrong with that guitar.
    Maybe just different strokes. Right Dan?

    Triangle Mary is somewhat cool, yeah. But to be real dark, the vocals are way too innocent.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 15:40:25 (permalink)
    Maybe just different strokes. Right Dan?

    Well in fainess, I have only listened to the song through my "CrapoPhones" so I don't know what I hear through my reference monitors.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 15:50:32 (permalink)
    Slick! Great job... my monitors were smiling while it played!

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 15:53:02 (permalink)
    But to be real dark, the vocals are way too innocent.


    That's about as dark as we get, Melf. Really, the only thing dark about it is the lyrical content. The rest is kind of 80's edgy...

    only listened to the song through my "CrapoPhones"


    I have a pair of those, but mine are the official Crap-o-foneâ„¢ brand Crap-phones. It sounds like you got a fake-o-pair.
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 16:17:11 (permalink)
    The lyrics? You should have mention that. But I have to admit that I don't understand the lyrics....


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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/23 21:10:35 (permalink)
    Slick! Great job... my monitors were smiling while it played


    Hey, thanks Sonic. My monitors seem to grimace at me as of late. Hopefully I'll have them smiling soon enough.

    But I have to admit that I don't understand the lyrics


    Melf, the lyrics for Triangle Mary are dark because they're about a guy trying to explain/rationalize to his dead girlfriend why he killed her and her lover.
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/26 06:23:41 (permalink)
    nice David. Great sounding bass tone-like your voice on this as well. Everything inyour face and great separation. What can you say? It's real. When it's real and it's steady you are most of the way there. Congrats on the CD.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/26 10:37:11 (permalink)
    IMHO, flawless. I can't hear anything wrong with the drums. There is such a thing as overproduction, I would think twice before changing anything. Of, course, I am only listening through my pc sound system, so maybe you hear something I don't.

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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/26 20:45:05 (permalink)
    nice David. Great sounding bass tone-like your voice on this as well. Everything inyour face and great separation. What can you say? It's real. When it's real and it's steady you are most of the way there. Congrats on the CD.


    Thank you Michael. As always, your opinions and critiques are very important to all of us and are ones that I will always try to learn from.

    IMHO, flawless. I can't hear anything wrong with the drums. There is such a thing as overproduction, I would think twice before changing anything. Of, course, I am only listening through my pc sound system, so maybe you hear something I don't.


    Thanks for the kind words, Joe. I don't think I will be changing anything for this tune...
    post edited by rossipsu1 - 2005/02/26 20:53:04
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    RE: Underhills / Everyone's Burden for your review 2005/02/27 10:20:01 (permalink)
    David,

    You and your band did a very good job on this song.

    Mixwise the only thing that caught my ear was the ring on the snare during the verse only.

    Darryl
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