Un-freeze causes consistent crash

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2014/05/22 09:56:03 (permalink)

Un-freeze causes consistent crash

When I un-freeze a track which is connected to an EastWest Orchestra Gold synth instance, Sonar crashes consistently. Probably 50% of the time, an un-freeze causes the crash, requiring a system reboot. This can happen on any track/instance. Anyone know why this is or what I can do about it?

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    rbowser
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    Re: Un-freeze causes consistent crash 2014/05/22 10:20:48 (permalink)
    jkoseattle...Probably 50% of the time, an un-freeze causes the crash, requiring a system reboot. This can happen on any track/instance. Anyone know why this is or what I can do about it?



    Bummer.  Until such time this problem is figured out, I'm sure you've considered just bouncing instead of freezing, but maybe didn't want to do that as a work-around. 
     
    As someone who never freezes but always bounces, let me encourage you.  Since you like to freeze, that means you want to be able to undo and go back to a MIDI track to do more editing.  Unfreezing is theoretically instant, but deleting a bounced track and then bouncing again after editing really doesn't add more than a handful of seconds to the process.  Bouncing a track for a 3 minute song takes approximately 3 seconds.  Doesn't freezing take the same amount of time?
     
    Naturally you want to figure out why you're crashing with freeze - But I wanted to point out that bouncing could work just as well for you.  If you try that for now, hopefully that doesn't also crash your computer!
     
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    Re: Un-freeze causes consistent crash 2014/05/22 10:26:18 (permalink)
    That's a great idea. It's messier - I liked the ability to essentially replace the midi track with the audio by freezing, and now I have another track to deal with, but it works great, and the "fast bounce" works, whereas with freezing I always had to turn the fast bounce off. Thanks, great idea!

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    Audio Interface: M-Audio Delta
    Computer: Dell i5 3.1 GHz, 12Gb RAM, Windows 10 64-bit
    Soft Synths: EastWest PLAY Symphonic Orchestra
    MIDI Controllers: M-Audio 2x2 MidiSport Anniv Edition
    Settings: 16-Bit, Sample Rate 44.1k, ASIO Buffer Size 128-1024, Record/Playback I/O Buffers play:256k, rec: 64k, Total Round Trip Latency 48 ms  
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    Re: Un-freeze causes consistent crash 2014/05/22 11:31:38 (permalink)
    jkoseattle
    That's a great idea. It's messier - I liked the ability to essentially replace the midi track with the audio by freezing, and now I have another track to deal with, but it works great, and the "fast bounce" works, whereas with freezing I always had to turn the fast bounce off. Thanks, great idea!




    Good, glad that works for you.  Like I said in my 1st reply, I never freeze, only bounce.  That's an "old school" approach, but it's so straight-forward, easy and fast. 
     
    From your quote above, I see you're using "simple instrument tracks" - something else I'm too old school to use.  As I'm working on a project before the mixing stage, I always have my MIDI tracks lined up together - I mean the actual MIDI tracks, and the associated audio tracks are together below those.  When I'm ready, I bounce all the tracks to audio before starting to mix.  I make much use of the Track Manager to remove things I don't need to see, so when I'm done with MIDI, I mute, archive, and remove all those tracks from view, both the MIDI and audio tracks that are conduits from the soft synths.  And of course the soft synths are also disconnected when I don't need them anymore.  At mix time, all I have on my screen are the audio tracks.  Works great for me.
     
    Randy

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    Re: Un-freeze causes consistent crash 2014/05/22 15:26:20 (permalink)
    Have you tried converting you Simple Instrument Track to split Midi/Audio and then freeze?
     
    I seem to remember SIT's can cause a few problems with freezing, or maybe it's just another false memory......

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