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Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade?

Please excuse this question if it has been answered - I had a cursory search and couldn't find anything specific.
 
Just to confirm (since I just bought the upgrade) - I need to fully uninstall the Sonar X1 Producer before installing the electronic download upgrade of Sonar X2 Producer right?
 
And if so, is there some procedure or cleaner utility needed or does the Programs & Features uninstall in Windows plus a reboot suffice?  I'd prefer to set it up as cleanly as possible. 
 
Also I have a number of VST plugins and samples & stuff (some 32bit some 64bit) which are installed on another local drive (not in the Sonar folders) and there's nothing special to get them activated in Sonar X2 is there?  Mostly they are things like IK SampleTank, Sonik Synth, Miroslav, Arturia and a few Native Instruments things - anything I should know about their compatibility with X2 - I recall all of them working beautifully with X1. 
 
I'm running Win 7 64bit on an 8-core machine with 24Gb of Ram in case that matters.
 
thanks for any help or advice!
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 08:34:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby photonstudios 2013/06/28 08:53:19
No need to uninstall X1.
X2 will bring all your X1 settings over automatically.
 
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 08:36:27 (permalink)
Thanks for the quick reply.
 
Does that mean the installer uninstalls X1 too? or does it leave X1 installed side by side? And if so, if I don't want X1 anymore can I unstall it separately after installing the X2 as an upgrade or will it mess anything up to do that? thx!
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 08:39:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby photonstudios 2013/06/28 08:53:24
NO, no un-install is necessary!
In fact I keep X1 projects in X1, its just easier.
I have 8.5, X1 and X2 on both my systems.
Just install X2 then the X2a patch and all will be mostly well.
 
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 08:42:09 (permalink)
Thanks!
 
btw hate to beat a dead horse, but assuming I don't have any old X1 projects I'm worried about opening and assuming I want to get rid of X1, will uninstalling X1 after installing X2 screw anything up?
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 08:43:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby photonstudios 2013/06/28 08:53:27
If that is the case, delete X1 before installing X2. You can always install it later if you feel the need. FWIW, the worst case when deleting an older version of SONAR after installing a newer version can result in some shared plug-ins being deleted. If that happens you can get them back with an advanced install of the newer version.
 
Just a few more notes about the install. DimPro in X2 is identical to X1 so you should skip the X2 DimPro install if you already have DimPro installed. Since it has a separate installer from X1, deleting X1 will leave DimPro installed. The X2 Loops and One Shots contain the entire Beatscape library. If you use Beatscape and want to save 4GB of disk, you might want to remove the Beatscape library and point the directory to the X2 audio library. If you want additional help with it, ask. Otherwise, just run the Beatscape uninstall process. Beatscape is also separate from the X1 uninstall process.
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:07:18 (permalink)
Thanks!
 
Actually I would like some more help with that.  As I'm not married to X1 anymore (even though I loved it) - I'm happy to install from scratch if it is cleaner.  I'd like some help managing how I should install my VSTs & samples - particularly the ones that come with Cakewalk.  Good to know DimPro X1 = DimPro X2  - I'm assuming you mean completely identical and not just feature identical?
 
Anyway.  This image shows some current folders on a separate local drive that I have installed and working with X1 at the moment.  If this is a crappy setup and you can recommend a better one, any advice would be welcome with that.  I have the plugins installed on the boot drive as VstPlugins(x86) and VstPlugins x64 as shown - with the VST Samples and Content files on a separate local drive:

 
Is this setup ok? Notice that I've installed the Sonar X1 plugins and content for DimPro and Beatscape etc in a separate Cakewalk folder and also separated out the 32 & 64 bit plugins to separate install folders so I don't mix anything up and so it would be easier to see which is 32 & which is 64bit.  I initially did this ages ago when I wasn't sure about compatibility with my plugins and wanted to be able to use them if they didn't work in Sonar X1 64bit.   
While I'm comfortable in Sonar, I don't use it daily so I'm not as familiar with some specifics about setup etc.  But in the time since I've installed X1 and now just bought X2,
I imagine the Sonar bitbridge or whatever regarding 32bit-64bit vst compatibility has been fully sorted out and there may be a better way to manage VSTs and just use Sonar X2 64bit.  Is this so?
 
How would you recommend I install X2, or should I leave everything as is and let the X2 installer just use the same stuff that X1 did?  Or would it be better to re-install everything including my other VSTs?
 
The main thing I'm worried about is having conflicts with the Cakewalk specific stuff like DimPro or beatscape or whatever is included with X2 versus what was included with X1.  I don't want things to be screwy and use the wrong dlls or point to the wrong content.  Any suggestions to prevent this?
 
thanks for your help!! :)
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:09:27 (permalink)
Also, does the installer also get preferences for things like my MIDI keyboard controller or the Alphatrack/transport I have installed or do I have to reinstall those too?  Sorry for all the questions. :)
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:13:36 (permalink)
If you leave the X1 installed, X2 will pick up the X1 config and migrate it. If you uninstall X1 prior to installing X2, you will have to configure X2. FWIW, uninstalling X1 will free less than 200MB. The largest share of disk used by SONAR Producer are in separate installers for DimPro and Beatscape.
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:19:38 (permalink)
thanks, but how do the Cakewalk specific plugins between X1 and X2 get along/coexist? Is it anything to worry about - multiple versions of Beatscape/DimPro etc on my system - and should they be in different VSTplugins folders?  Is my setup goofy or pretty typical?  thanks!
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:27:41 (permalink)
Again, I have 8.5 X1 and X2 on both systems.
You need 3 drives on your system.
C: OS, Sonar, all vst dll's
D: Audio, this is where all your projects reside
E: Samples
for example; this is where the dimpro content resides
Leave X1 on your system, its just easier...
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:33:09 (permalink)
Thanks - I'll leave X1 on there - though my question is that Beatscape and DimPro are installed in my VST plugins folder which I imagine would be common to X2.  So how do I avoid Beatscape and DimPro from X1 conflicting with X2 if they are installed in the same common VSt plugins folder?  Sorry for being dense here.  And yes, I have a C, D, & E like that - only C has Cakewalk & my VST plugins (separated out into 32bit & 64bit folders) and my E has folders for the samples & content (including the Cakewalk specific stuff).
 
I do appreciate the help from both of you and your patience with my setup noobyness. :)
 
And one last thing, if you don't mind, is there still any issue with 32bit vs 64bit VST plugin compatibility?  Will I be able to run a 64bit X2 and use all my plugins regardless if they are 32bit (like some of my IK plugins) or 64bit?  thx!
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:53:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby photonstudios 2013/06/28 09:56:42
The Beatscape synth was dropped from X2, the REX files were migrated to the Loops and One Shots library. Unless you actually use the Beatscape synth, uninstall it. The installer is separate from X1. If you do use Beatscape, delete the library and create a junction to the Audio Loops.
 
DimPro is a separate installer and there is no reason to install it if you have installed it with X1. The DimPro versions are completely identical, forget the X2 DimPro install. FWIW, you cannot have more than one 32bit and one 64bit install of the DimPro anyway due to the registry entries.
 
There will always be some issues with 32bit plug-ins in a 64bit environment. The best thing to do is either avoid 32bit plug-ins all togther or run them in the 32bit version of the host. The bridge technology from Cakewalk is the same in X2 as it was in X1.
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Re: Uninstall Sonar X1 Producer before installing X2 upgrade? 2013/06/28 09:58:32 (permalink)
thank you for that info.  That was mostly what I was after to find out.  If I recall correctly, all these old 32bit IK plugins like SampleTank (which I'm pretty sure IK didn't make 64bit yet) did work in X1 64bit so I guess that same bride technology should work for me in X2.
 
Also thanks for the info on Beatscape & DimPro... :)
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