tindog13
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Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
I cloned a track so as to not lose the original, but didn't uncheck something... I've been editing the track and am only now discovering the two are still associated, can I unjoin them?
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:01:48
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group tracks or clone track?
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:09:57
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If it is an instrument track, split the instrument track before cloning
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:37:55
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It's a soft Synth track, all I did was clone it, not grouped... now they follow each other, as if they were grouped, if I mute one they both mute... I understand before, I just don't want to lose the editing I've done now... no way to unjoin them?
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:48:09
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Were you using a Simple Instrument Track or Split Audio/Midi?
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:49:49
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Instrument tracks should not be cloned. If the track is split now, the clone will go away but the MIDI data should still be there, one set of MIDI clips in the audio track and the other set of MIDI clips in the MIDI track. Move the MIDI clips from the audio track to a new MIDI or instrument track.
post edited by scook - 2015/04/09 17:00:08
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tindog13
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:54:39
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I don't know, and I don't remember it giving me an option... I just created a soft synth track, recorded a part, then cloned the track to save the original while editing, but I can't mute or solo one without the other following, even when it's hidden... whatever it defaults to is what I did, literally just chose Insert from Track Template, then Soft Synth track templates, then chose and instrument from TTS-1
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 16:58:00
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Insert another soft synth track, perform the operation in #6 and avoid cloning instrument tracks in the future.
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tindog13
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 17:00:06
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Well, sadly I don't know what much of that means, I'll just start over, thanx
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 17:05:19
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Right click on one of the cloned instrument tracks and select the "Split Instrument Track" option. Insert another synth track. Select the MIDI clips in the audio track. Hold the SHIFT key and click drag the MIDI clips by the header to the new synth track.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 23:10:11
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scook - Why would there be MIDI clips in the audio track?
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/09 23:12:19
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That is where they end up when splitting a cloned instrument track. Cloning an instrument track is a problem.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 01:27:59
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tindog13
I cloned a track so as to not lose the original, but didn't uncheck something... I've been editing the track and am only now discovering the two are still associated, can I unjoin them?
Select both tracks. Right click on one of the tracks and then select "unlink" and then click "Independent, not linked at all"
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 06:39:52
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I am really confused.
Why can't I copy/clone a guitar track?
I just did it a couple weeks ago (X3e) and even successfully slide the track 50 or 100 ticks or whatever to fatten up a guitar part. I EQ'd them different from one another and, although I have never done this before, it seemed to work great and there was no track association. They are completely independent of one another.
And just last week, I did the same thing (SPlat) with a bass track, so that I could have a back up copy of the track whilst I messed around with the original. Once I was happy with my changes I deleted the extra track.
Let me know what and why this is bad, thanks
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 07:04:00
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I am guessing the guitar and bass tracks are audio tracks. This thread is about cloning an instrument track. They are not the same thing.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 07:54:34
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2015/04/10 09:38:43
Scook is not talking about an instrument track as in the sense of a guitar etc audio track but a combo midi, audio track for having MIDI dat create audio through a VST instrument plugin. While seemingly more convenient Instrument tracks pose a few problems over the previous way of doing it with one MIDI and one Audio track working together but much more flexible.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 09:44:27
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 13:52:50
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scook
Instrument tracks should not be cloned.
No, Cakewalk should either fix instrument track cloning or make it impossible. We shouldn't be talking to people as if they did something wrong when it is the software at fault.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 18:19:27
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This might be easier if we called instrument tracks "simple instrument" tracks, which is what Cakewalk calls them. Then no one would think they are, you know, recorded instruments.
And yes, Kylotan -- when you try to clone a simple instrument track, a message should pop up saying "You must separate this track into MIDI and audio first."
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/10 19:02:53
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You may find Cakewalk has been referring to the track type as an instrument track for some time. When originally rolled out, instrument tracks were called Simple Instrument Tracks. There are still a few references to SIT in the doc (and insert options dialog) however many other references to the track type have been changed to instrument track. While there are things Cakewalk could do to alter instrument track cloning, my replies in this thread are concerned with the current instrument track implementation and how to deal with it.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/11 03:31:12
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scook
You may find Cakewalk has been referring to the track type as an instrument track for some time. When originally rolled out, instrument tracks were called Simple Instrument Tracks. There are still a few references to SIT in the doc (and insert options dialog) however many other references to the track type have been changed to instrument track.
While there are things Cakewalk could do to alter instrument track cloning, my replies in this thread are concerned with the current instrument track implementation and how to deal with it.
I didn't know that Cakewalk is moving away from the S.I.T. term. My suggestion is that using "Simple Instrument Track" would make this topic easier to discuss. Instinctively one feels that everything except voices and sound effects are instrument tracks. "Simple Instrument Track" refers to precisely only one kind of track. It seemed to me there was some confusion around this in this thread. 
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/11 04:29:37
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Are you suggesting adding "Simple" to the track type would help solve the original problem?
WRT the use of instrument track, it is frequently used in the documentation and other instructional material.
If you prefer to add the prefix "Simple" that is fine by me.
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Re: Unjoin or deassociate cloned tracks?
2015/04/11 11:52:24
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scook
Are you suggesting adding "Simple" to the track type would help solve the original problem?
C'mon, Steve, you know that's not what I'm saying. You've been helpful to me in the past, and I appreciate your knowledge, so if you really don't understand my point in #21, PM me and I'll explain it directly to you (since the OP here seems to have lost interest in finding a solution).
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