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Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
Thank you AZslow for all your hard work and efforts to make this product that much better, you did such a good job that I can't imagine using my hardware under any other conditions, So until Sonar simply can not cut it anymore, which is not in my foreseeable music future, I will enjoy what it has become. people are still happy with old versions. We have a gem here, that isn't even fully realized and if it doesn't get any better, it's still good enough. Maybe if we stop looking for the latest greatest, appreciate what we have, we can probably get some nice music made. Surely we know by now that the grass is only greener because were not close enough. Thank you again AZSlow, there isn't anywhere else I want to go. I stand behind Sonar...in-case it collapse  .
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 02:10:25
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I'll be staying with Sonar until windoze won't run it any more. I have Studio One for portable because I use a McBook, but my studio will remain Sonar.
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 02:16:25
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I feel like I Paid off a car, no more payments ya!! even though I had lifetime. It's mine So I'm going to take good care of it, one day it will be a classic
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 02:19:46
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☄ Helpfulby almeister 2017/11/24 04:15:32
frankjcc
I feel like I Paid off a car, no more payments ya!! even though I had lifetime. It's mine So I'm going to take good care of it, one day it will be a classic
I have a good feeling Sonar will become a part of nostalgia for many people. Like a classic car. I also expect people/users to be moding it, making new themes, possibly finding a way to hack the code and make changes. This is not the end of Sonar. Its the beginning of something else.
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 04:21:09
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I too would like to thank Azslow for all his work. I'll keep using Splat for as long as I can. I already have S1-3 so I'll invest a bit more time with it. Thanks again Alexy!
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 04:43:44
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Thanks very much Alexey for your work--- made the X-touch mini controller a piece of cake, so to speak.
Hope you continue to contribute over at the new upstart sonar forums that have been mentioned in other threads...
Salud!
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 05:30:33
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Thank u Alexey! My Roland SI-24 is still kickin it. No droppin SPlat, no reason to, I believe something will be done to use the software....
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 06:58:39
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Thanks friends!
I am not freezing AZ Controller yet. I have registered on "Plan B" and my forum will stay in tact.
But I will try to find some other DAW. While blamed by many for pure Control Surface support, Cakewalk is the only one with dedicated controller SDK in public. The only other DAW which has something in this direction is Reaper. But I have asked other 3 actively discussed alternatives, I do not even need a public SDK, AZ Controller is closed source and so "compatible" with NDA interfaces.
The code will be reorganized/rewritten once I find another attachment point. It will take time (a year... the first release of AZ Controller was also after one year of development, since I can only use a part of my free time for that).
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☄ Helpfulby Tim Flannagin 2017/11/30 03:56:03
Hi:)
Thankyou very much Alexey for your work.
I think it would be very hard to live without AZCtrl and my BCR2000, so I stay on Sonar as long as possible!
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azslow3
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
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☄ Helpfulby Tim Flannagin 2017/11/30 03:56:14
BTW. While AZ Controller community is a tiny subset of Sonar community, if someone has thoughts which DAW should be the next home for my project, may be we can have a success convincing corresponding developers. I do not need much from them, in fact they do not have to do nothing at all. All major players have Surface Integrations APIs which they use to support controllers, they just do not make these APIs public. There is a good reason, plug-ins like AZ Controller can damage/freeze/make unstable the DAW, including project corruptions. Not far away from the possible VST triggered damages, but still. Also, unlike VST, these APIs are dynamic, they change from version to version (Cakewalk has just stopped the development of its API long time ago, that is why all modern Sonar features can not be controlled).
With equal opportunity, accessible DAW will have my priority. While I know only one user for which that is relevant, one is not zero. I have made X3 accessible for him, with his plug-ins of choice and the controllers of choice. And I plan to do the same in case we switch to another DAW.
At the moment, the only DAW which fits is the Reaper. It has open API and accessibility binding. But as I wrote, the future of AZ Controller is not yet planed.
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 15:35:09
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Thanks you Alexey for all your hard work for this forum and SONAR MIDI users. It's very appreciated  All the best.
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2017/11/24 15:41:02
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Alexey,
How about Harrison Mixbus?
BTW, I'm one of the many who is very grateful to you.
Thanks and praise,
Geoff
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 15:51:51
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I also want to thank Alexey, my AlphaTrack works great with SPlat using AZ Controller.
I'm leaning towards moving to Reaper. One of the reasons is that their public Surface Integration API has enabled another developer to create a dll specifically for the Alphatrack that makes it work very well with Reaper. I'll bet Alexey could do even better, so I would encourage him to move to Reaper!
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bokchoyboy
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 16:34:14
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azslow3
BTW. While AZ Controller community is a tiny subset of Sonar community, if someone has thoughts which DAW should be the next home for my project, may be we can have a success convincing corresponding developers. I do not need much from them, in fact they do not have to do nothing at all. All major players have Surface Integrations APIs which they use to support controllers, they just do not make these APIs public. There is a good reason, plug-ins like AZ Controller can damage/freeze/make unstable the DAW, including project corruptions. Not far away from the possible VST triggered damages, but still. Also, unlike VST, these APIs are dynamic, they change from version to version (Cakewalk has just stopped the development of its API long time ago, that is why all modern Sonar features can not be controlled).
With equal opportunity, accessible DAW will have my priority. While I know only one user for which that is relevant, one is not zero. I have made X3 accessible for him, with his plug-ins of choice and the controllers of choice. And I plan to do the same in case we switch to another DAW.
At the moment, the only DAW which fits is the Reaper. It has open API and accessibility binding. But as I wrote, the future of AZ Controller is not yet planed.
If I had a vote, I would say Studio One... it seems more Sonar users "might" migrate to that program, based on what I've seen posted in the last few days. I don't own it, so I don't have a horse in the race, but I would be willing to give it a try if Alexey was on board... And thanks again for your labor of love! Salud!
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/24 23:30:58
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gswitz
How about Harrison Mixbus?
Mixbus is based on Ardour, Ardour is open source... So that is an option. But from opinions on this forum, i have thought that Mixbus is not so good as "all in one" DAW. Ardour can not be declared obsolete by anyone, I mean that is strong plus. ptheisen
I'm leaning towards moving to Reaper.
My current favorite: full featured DAW, not expensive, with API and accessibility solutions. I was not really excited when I have demoed it some time ago, it was a kind of "slow" (on my old PC) and somehow "programming oriented" (lol... not more than AZ Controller). bokchoyboy
If I had a vote, I would say Studio One...
Lets wait what they answer. But unlikely they are going to allow someone make "concurrence" to there hardware from eBayed 30 years old Yamaha/Tascam consoles 
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/26 03:43:38
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gswitz
How about Harrison Mixbus?
Mixbus is based on Ardour, Ardour is open source... So that is an option. But from opinions on this forum, i have thought that Mixbus is not so good as "all in one" DAW. Ardour can not be declared obsolete by anyone, I mean that is strong plus.
ptheisen
I'm leaning towards moving to Reaper.
My current favorite: full featured DAW, not expensive, with API and accessibility solutions. I was not really excited when I have demoed it some time ago, it was a kind of "slow" (on my old PC) and somehow "programming oriented" (lol... not more than AZ Controller).
bokchoyboy
If I had a vote, I would say Studio One...
Lets wait what they answer. But unlikely they are going to allow someone make "concurrence" to there hardware from eBayed 30 years old Yamaha/Tascam consoles
Yeah, you're probably right about that with Presonus considering they already have integrated integrated hardware... ;( too bad.
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https://youtu.be/pzzNKzNd4Bc I made a short video of me trying to find my way around in Mixbus. I had some troubles that I don't think are typical >> Mouse not triggering things I was clicking on. I should have used a stereo track rather than a mono track caused the output to be in mono. I've got some things to work out yet, but it was fun to make a new video.
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/26 04:05:48
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Alexey . . . I'll also add my many thanks for helping to make my Novation Impulse 61 . . . less lame . . . with your amazing software solution for Cakewalk Sonar, it just works all the time the way it should. I'm really in appreciation of the time you spent (as well as others noted on your site [Hermu] who helped with this) I'm glad to know you're on the Plan B site, I'll be happy to follow any future progress there.
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azslow3
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/26 08:09:35
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gswitz
I made a short video of me trying to find my way around in Mixbus.
I had some troubles that I don't think are typical >>
Mouse not triggering things I was clicking on.
I should have used a stereo track rather than a mono track caused the output to be in mono.
There was definitively something wrong with the system response... I recently had close to the same several times and that was graphic card related. Features are sometimes hard to find. But once found... f.e. I have decided to demo Reaper again and this time "discovered" pre-fader automation. Well. I am almost sold I have seen tutorials before, where drawing clip volume automation (in Sonar terminology) immediately change the waveform. Not sure which DAW was used, but Reaper has that.
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2017/11/26 09:27:05
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as a AlphaTrack user I also want to thank Alexey, enjoy his work on az controller .
Now I'll stick to AlphaTrack and Sonar. Am I getting a bit too nostalgic?
I'll call it "vintage"
I imagine my kids one day going "What? Still Alpha Track?? Sonar??? Really dad? Are those originals or clones?"
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azslow3
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
2017/11/28 17:53:03
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So, AZ Controller will NOT get re-incarnation in:
* Mixcraft - no API and no offer for cooperation (confirmed).
* S1 - I have not found any API, no reply on the question. Also I have already spotted one feature I do not want to miss in my next DAW, without even installing a demo.
* Cubase - I have not found any API, expensive "dongleware".
I no longer "fear the Reaper". Unlike with some other DAWs, there was no WOW effect when I have tested it some time ago, more like OMG effect. Even during more detailed testing now, I must admit that finding something without google is not possible. So far, pro.:
+ everything I have found how to do (a) works, (b) make sense
+ "Clip gain automation", which is called Pre-fader volume automation in Reaper, is something I have seen in many ProTools based videos.
+ API is there
+ Accessibility friendly
+ license system is user friendly
+ The "content" I already have from Sonar, partially upgraded to full versions. I mean I do not need yet another set of DAW specific plug-ins
Cons.:
- no ARA... and no plans for it...
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Tim Flannagin
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Re: Unless AZ controller comes with, I'm staying put
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azslow3
So, AZ Controller will NOT get re-incarnation in:
* Mixcraft - no API and no offer for cooperation (confirmed).
* S1 - I have not found any API, no reply on the question. Also I have already spotted one feature I do not want to miss in my next DAW, without even installing a demo.
* Cubase - I have not found any API, expensive "dongleware".
I no longer "fear the Reaper". Unlike with some other DAWs, there was no WOW effect when I have tested it some time ago, more like OMG effect. Even during more detailed testing now, I must admit that finding something without google is not possible. So far, pro.:
+ everything I have found how to do (a) works, (b) make sense
+ "Clip gain automation", which is called Pre-fader volume automation in Reaper, is something I have seen in many ProTools based videos.
+ API is there
+ Accessibility friendly
+ license system is user friendly
+ The "content" I already have from Sonar, partially upgraded to full versions. I mean I do not need yet another set of DAW specific plug-ins
Cons.:
- no ARA... and no plans for it...
I've been playing with REAPER for some time now. I'd love to see what you can do with it. :-)
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