Unlocking MP3 encoder

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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 07:59:49 (permalink)
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I'm a little confused as to why in a "top end DAW" the ability to export directly to a lossy, not particularly nice sounding, format is important or essential?
It is a nice to have of course but I would never classify it as an essential part of a pro audio application.

On the contrary, I think"professional" implies that you have all the tools to handle any situation your customer might find themselves in and be able to provide any results they might want. I think Cakewalk has excellent options for MP3 in Sonar: buy their encoder or use the instructions to use an external encoder.

You can use me as your eSoundz referral (altima_boy_2001).
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 10:02:20 (permalink)
Not sure what Reason has to do with Sonar as they are totaly different applications. Top end Daw means to me a one stop application that allows you to compose, play, record and deliver it internet ready and that like it or not is MP3 in most cases. 8 Bucks is hardly going to kill the golden egg is it?

 
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 10:31:53 (permalink)

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Not sure what Reason has to do with Sonar as they are totaly different applications. Top end Daw means to me a one stop application that allows you to compose, play, record and deliver it internet ready and that like it or not is MP3 in most cases. 8 Bucks is hardly going to kill the golden egg is it?


Not really, but when you multiply it out , when it is completely unnecassary, then it is flat outright a waste of cash a waste of cash.

As for Reason, its in use by more professionals than Sonar probably is (not that Im a Reason supporter, however I do own it), its in use by a huge amount of professionals.

Some top end DAW applications are only used for recording and dont allow you to compose. So what you might think of as a top end DAW someone else might not.

As for 8 bucks breaking the golden egg, it is a fact that as you increase the price of something , you do get less sales. So that $8 may have gained in the long term another 100 Sonar users worldwide. Not only is that 100 sales of Sonar, but it is also 100 sales of future upgrades, and possible buy ins for software instruments etc.

AS for deliverying something "internet ready", are you aware that most "professional musicians" pass over the work of mastering (and this would include mp3 mastering if required) over to a properly qualified and equipped mastering engineer (at least this is how most professionals do it). One of the reasons for this is that a mixing environment is hardly condusive to proper mastering listening setups.

Top end daw does not mean one stop application. For example there are situations where Pro Tools is required for compatibility, or that you need to use a program like Nuendo or Vegas because of certain video requirements.

Also to point out, there are people out there using Sonar with onboard audio. This will very often lead to bad productions. So a requirement is also there for a decent audio interface. As far as I know , Sonar Producer Edition doesnt come with an audio interface for you to use. So it definitely does not come with everything you need to make professional internet ready songs.

The high end protools rigs do come with an audio interface (a pretty damn big one, with a computer as well), and they sell for a lot more than several copies of Sonar. So tell me why a high end DAW program HAS to have a feature that you think is completely necassary, yet others dont.

It's really only a matter of personal opinion. You have stated yours and I have stated mine. Personally I would rather that I didnt pay for this feature every update and with every program that I have
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 11:40:01 (permalink)
As for deliverying something "internet ready", are you aware that most "professional musicians" pass over the work of mastering (and this would include mp3 mastering if required) over to a properly qualified and equipped mastering engineer (at least this is how most professionals do it). One of the reasons for this is that a mixing environment is hardly condusive to proper mastering listening setups.

Oh Dear we are flying high aren't we, not heard your music but my link is on my posts. I compose, record, mix, master with Sonar and use Switch as my MP3 encoder. Not sure where you are coming from but I bow to your obvious superior professional knowledge. A dongle could mean more sales but I don't advocate it but an MP3 encoder included would have made life easier for me as the link to the Sonar Un Lock didn't work and so I purchased switch. Top End DAW means one that costs more than most and charges for an anual update without resolving all the issues in the current version. As you can see I am not a professional I am just a guy that plays a little bit of guitar and records in his home studio which I suspect is the same as 90% of Cakes customers.

Onwards and upwards.

 
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 11:55:17 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Gerry
8 Bucks is hardly going to kill the golden egg is it?


8 bucks every time you upgrade SONAR. So, if you upgraded SONAR since the first version, you'd have spent $56 on the same mp3 encoder. Sound fair?

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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 12:26:55 (permalink)

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Hmmm. I wish my Pontiac G6 came with an iPod connection port. I knew when I bought it that it didn't. I bought the car anyway because it had other features that were unique enough for the money, that I made an intelligent decision. After I bought it, did I feel cheated because I should have gotten the port? No, because it was a clear business arrangement - they provided me a clear definition of the product before I purchased it, I got exactly what I agreed to pay for. I was able to test drive the car before the purchase, and noticed the absense of the port right away. The saleman was honest in admitting it wasn't provided by GM. I purchased the port after-market (the after-market company also provided me exactly what I thought I was purchasing). Not sure there is an issue here. If you purchase a product that provides what it advertises, nothing more, nothing less, can you really claim that it should have provided more? Now, asking it as a future feature, is another issue...


I assume it came with a spare wheel? I think an MP3 encoder is a pretty basic requirement for a top end daw and most new customers would expect it to be included rather than not. OK feature request but heck its a pretty basic feature to be excluded.


Am not sure my point got through. I'm not debating the issue of whether an mp3 encoder is a useful addtion to a DAW toolbox. I purchased Cakewalk's - I also use LAME from time to time. I'm debating the use of the word "should" in complaints that sound like Cakewalk hid the absence of the encoder before purchase. If my G6 did not come with a spare tire unless you purchased it, I'd weigh the overall cost, realizing that I had to have it. But I'd do this before purchasing. After purchasing, I'd limit complaints to failures in providing what was promised, or in hiding obvious exclusions or deficiencies. On the other hand, we're talking $20 here, in the worst case. Have probably devoted way too much energy reading and discussing an exceedingly miniscule issue. I spill more than that at Happy Hour...
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 12:47:42 (permalink)
Gerry, there is no need to be as aggressive, as I said Im only stating my point of view, which although it differs from yours is no less valid.

As for my music, you can check out my mp3s on www.soundclick.com/syrath, on the page there are only a few I recommend that are worth listening to however I keep the good, the bad and the ugly up there. Im far from being an excellent musician, although I did get runner up (3 months iirc) in the Project5 featured musician of the month, as well as holding the no1 spot on the soundclick IDM chart 3 or 4 times.

However when it comes to my music I dont think its a competition where we compare how good our tunes are. This does not make either of us more professional. Im just a guy that plays a bit of guitar (also, although not on any of those tracks), that likes to use the comptuer to make music.

For a living though I do DAW tutorial video production and voice over work. As a result of this I do have a lot of "professional" DAW software, and as I said Reason, Cubase ( the "industry standard"), Sony Vegas, Logic Audio Platinum V 4.5, or any of the other software I have.

It is just that I dont think that mp3 encoding is high up on my priority list for making any of the professional things that I do. It is only useful for my amateur music, for me to upload it to the soundclick website. Hardly a professional usage if you ask me.

You use the anology that 8$ doesnt break the golden egg, well neither does $20, so your own argument is flawed here.

$8 for every song making product and every update that I own does however add up. Id be paying about $100 per year on mp3 encoders(exaggerated but not by much).

Professional does not imply that you have the tools to produce internet ready music, a professional DAW has the capability of making professional Digital Audio, this does not need to include MP3, although it is definitely handy for many that may want to use an internet delivery system.

However even with low bandwidth these days uploading a 16 bit or 24 bit 44.1 khz file doesnt take that long, neither does downloading it. So in a professional hand over from one person to the next having it in full CD audio quality or better is more prefered by professionals than mp3, certainly in my experience as a DAW tutorial video producer and voice over "artist".

Those that know the work I have done will probably agree that if I had encoded my voice overs to mp3, that it would definitely be undesirable .
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 13:35:58 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: Gerry
8 Bucks is hardly going to kill the golden egg is it?


8 bucks every time you upgrade SONAR. So, if you upgraded SONAR since the first version, you'd have spent $56 on the same mp3 encoder. Sound fair?





My friend at 66 cents a month I don't think I would have any sleepless nights. But having said that I am all for being frugal. I would have thought that there was a way around not repeating the license fee on an upgrade, if there was a will to do so; however going by most of your views it is not an issue and I respect your opinions.

As for my being aggresive it was never my intention so I'll apologise now if I upset anyone. It's good for the brain cells to have a debate now and again. Not so sure losing the debate equals losing being right and as I have already purchased someone elses MP3 encoder its all water under the bridge I suppose :-)




 
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 13:42:26 (permalink)
No need to apologise, its just that as always there are two ways of looking at it. On one hand CW isnt charging you for it, and on the other the rest of the people include (and have a higher price of software as a result). When you upgrade a CW product you do get the full version and not an upgrade disc, I assume this is to minimise costs since producing 2 runs for the discs would cost more.
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RE: Unlocking MP3 encoder 2008/09/09 15:04:17 (permalink)
Thanks Stuart no hard feelings I hope.

Gerry

 
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