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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/02/26 16:36:31
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LordElpus
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Gary,so glad you had no probs doing this man. im also sorry about the info i gave you on your mobo,i was almost 90% positive that board maxed at 8 gigs.
but as long as its showing up in system properties than that is auesome.
also dont worry about the difference between the 4 core and the 6 core phenom,ive used both,tested both and the sonar stress test i did with the 4 core was:
(8 gigs of ram)
Win 7 x64
Sonar x2 64
4-soft synths/equiling 16 midi tracks
16 audio tracks/with prochannel engaged
20-of sonars misc.effects.
core load was at 24%
keep me posted on a nice large project you do,im curious what you can push it to with 16 gb of ram.
im really glad my book and videos helped you out man.
Thanks again,
Charlie Roy
Hey Charlie Roy,
You and me both, but credit where credit's due!!!!
I must say I was a bit nervous and I did have an issue with it not firing up at first, so I just took it all out and started again. I did a test re-build of just the mobo & cpu and connected the monitor and made sure I got a POST - which I did, then I installed the RAM and tested again and only when everything was okay did I put it all in the case. I feel more confident now about doing this again in the future, as it was relatively painless, and I will have no qualms about opening her up to do an upgrade.
Anyway, no apologies necessary my friend - I was sure when I viewed the mobo it was 16Gb so I re-checked. Maybe they have given the board a tweak or two since? Anyways all 16Gb shows up no probs!
That stress test is very comforting - I can't see me having a much bigger project than that but I'll have a go and see how I get on. 24% should give me a lot of room to play with!
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to do the videos & the book
Gary
Gary makes me very happy to see digital audio musicians building their own DAW's. If my book and video's helped you,than i am sooo happy. Thank you big time for the props bro. By the way,its funny you mentioned you rig wouldnt fire up right away. this has happen to me a few times as well,but it's for only a few different reasons. sometimes powering it up/off to a blank screen,the second time it boots right up. other times it can be the infamous power switch wiring..lol if you have no "beeps" generaly your good to go. please...keep me posted and bench it with sonar a few times,if you want a few tests,i can send them your way in a private message. im dying to see how many soft synths this thing can run at one time :) Delighted ! Charlie Roy
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/02/26 17:04:32
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Your PC Spec Looks good to me LordElpus, I have a 120gig SSD for OS and programs, and it works just fine with space left. I installed a folder called 'Audio Library' on another drive to hold all the sonar program content and Loops etc. The other drives are all 7200rpm. Pc boots to logon screen in 30 seconds. I found you buy from places like 'Novatech' in the UK, which offer pretty good deals as well. 
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2013/02/27 05:11:29
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Hi Spark240,
Yeah, I know but it's all I could afford a the moment. I've already exceeded my budget so I had to make some compromises. Once the finances improve I can always add another SSD if I find this one too restrictive. I have about 30Gb free at the moment.
Hi there the Wildman,
That's good to know. The 1Tb drive is 7200rpm so I should be okay for now. I also had an older 160Gb SATA drive in my old machine so I have stuffed that in too. I also have a NAS (got it for a song last year from Dabs) so anything that needs archiving can go on there.
Yup, Novatech are good on prices but, as I had a £140 credit on Amazon owing, it was a no-brainer to shop there!
My machine now boots up in about 40 seconds also and it still amazes me.
Gary
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2013/02/27 16:26:49
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Cool guys ! well... I am about to order mine from Inta -audio, but I am going for the 240G SSD.
Keep you posted....
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/03/16 03:33:36
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Thanks to Charlie Roy for the book on building/rebuilding a computer! Even though it's still beta, I was still able to read it with no problems. The book - along with the series of videos on youtube - enabled me to make some massive changes on my computer. And, I'm NO techy ;) I dropped in a new SSD & a new data drive, doubled my RAM and added a second graphic card to compliment my onboard chip, so I can run multiple screens.
I would not have been able to do it without your ressources, Charlie. If anybody out there is thinking of modding there box - and, is not computer savvy, as I - then, check out Charlie stuff. It will help you!
Here a short list of +/- to the book itself:
+ pretty easy to understand (if, you like Charlie says, you use your head)
+ lots of pictures (I need pix!)
+ nerdy language is kept to a minimum
+ concise and to the point, sticks to task at hand
+ love the wry humor on display (is that typical Bostonian?)
+ had the feeling Charlie was talking "to" me, and not "down" to me
- could have used a glossary (some words I was not familiar with: mobo, standoffs. The explanations came later, but, it left me wondering)
- recommendations were sometimes too vague. "When buying RAM, don't buy junk." What constitutes junk? A few references to specific models/makes to look at/stay away from, would have been more helpful. After all, we are noobs, who read you book ;)
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2013/03/19 18:05:15
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Hey Charlie, I have a quick question. Stupid...I know, but nevertheless, I need to ask. If I run two PCs and keep project files on an external HD, do these files care if they were recorded on a 32 Bit machine and then mixed down on a 64 Bit machine? I might have the opportunity to build a machine for the mix down studio, which is a different space than the recording studio, and I might as well build a Desktop, as I have a 2001 Desktop that is a bit worthless. I could strip it, use the chassis, and buy all the necessary parts to do a home build, like, motherboard, hard drive, DVD burner, USB 3 or Firewire card. I still have to do some research as to what will work best with Sonar 7PE and the new audio interface I am buying for the mixing space, but I think this is the way to go, and I might as well go 64 bit, as this is where, I think, the processing power really comes in to play, as I will be using midi, plugins, etc. What do you think? Thanks Brother... My current system is dated back to 2001 I think. I should be able to reuse the chassis, power supply, DVD burner, but thought that the burner and power supply might be tired and it would serve me better to replace them both. What is a "insulated case". I would love your book if the offer is there. I am a technician, but don't know much about the actual parts or I mean which is good or bad, so I would hit forums like this hard to get answers on what is the best component to install. If your book has that information, that would be very helpful. Thanks Brother.
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2013/03/24 15:56:44
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i built the Phenom II x6 system, black edition about 1 1/2 years ago, and it still rocks.
It is enough to drive Sonar X2 with tons of power to spare. It is stable and plenty fast for everything i throw at it.
I dropped an Intel 240G SSD in there for the system drive. It didn't make a huge difference until I changed over to AHCI mode.
I'm VERY VERY satisfied with it. It is plenty of power for what I do.
Everybody, me included, likes to get into a shooting match, so we can loudly proclaim...MY DOG's bigger than YOUR dog, and MY car goes from 0-60 in 2.6 gallons....yes, that's big fun...but the bottom line is we all want to get a respectable performance out of the investment we make.
I'm satisified with not having the best, latest, fastest, because I can afford it, and it runs circles around the computers I was recording on 10 years ago.
btw, I chose the Intel SSD because of the high ratings, and it gets along fine with my AMD system. :)
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2013/03/24 16:03:48
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i second everthing chuckebaby says and with another idea regarding a case.
I just use regular cases because I have my computers in the next room. I feed my wires through the wall so that my recording room is nearly perfectly silent. It's room within a room design with baffled air circulation system. the loudest thing I hear is a tiny hum when my roland keyboard is powered on. :)
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2013/03/24 16:51:42
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Some of the best advice I've recieved from others about building a studio system is to start with the soundcard and build around it. I think the DAW we choose and how we intend to use it is at least a close second to that too. All the 'nuts & bolts' seem to fall into place after those two things are addressed.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/03/25 02:20:34
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FullBug
Thanks to Charlie Roy for the book on building/rebuilding a computer! Even though it's still beta, I was still able to read it with no problems. The book - along with the series of videos on youtube - enabled me to make some massive changes on my computer. And, I'm NO techy ;) I dropped in a new SSD & a new data drive, doubled my RAM and added a second graphic card to compliment my onboard chip, so I can run multiple screens.
I would not have been able to do it without your ressources, Charlie. If anybody out there is thinking of modding there box - and, is not computer savvy, as I - then, check out Charlie stuff. It will help you!
Here a short list of +/- to the book itself:
+ pretty easy to understand (if, you like Charlie says, you use your head)
+ lots of pictures (I need pix!)
+ nerdy language is kept to a minimum
+ concise and to the point, sticks to task at hand
+ love the wry humor on display (is that typical Bostonian?)
+ had the feeling Charlie was talking "to" me, and not "down" to me
- could have used a glossary (some words I was not familiar with: mobo, standoffs. The explanations came later, but, it left me wondering)
- recommendations were sometimes too vague. "When buying RAM, don't buy junk." What constitutes junk? A few references to specific models/makes to look at/stay away from, would have been more helpful. After all, we are noobs, who read you book ;)
hey man I totally missed this post, thank you so much for the props on my book. your comment was very gracious and im greatful for the feedback. your right about a lot of things, like a glossary, that's a really good point that I over looked. excellent catch man. your other comments as well both are very good points I need to take in to consideration. if I can ever be of help in the future send me a message and i'll do what ever I can. Thanks again man :) Charlie
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2013/03/25 02:29:30
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Stipes Vigilo
Some of the best advice I've recieved from others about building a studio system is to start with the soundcard and build around it. I think the DAW we choose and how we intend to use it is at least a close second to that too. All the 'nuts & bolts' seem to fall into place after those two things are addressed.
its not what I would do (only my opinion) if you tend to build your daw around things like soundcards, peripheral's, devices your going to be running into problems down the road. I build computers to last for a long time, when your soundcard becomes obsolete your left with a computer you built around a device, its just not good judgment. I built a computer for a customer about 8 years ago, I just replaced the power supply last month, so good computers will last the change of time. of course that same computer I built for him 8 years ago was 1200.00 today I could build the same one for about 600.00 the process in parts have gone down so much, look at ram for instance. a stick of 512 megabyte was close to 70.00 dollars about 5 years ago. a stick of 2 gigs is about 30.00 I think the key is to build a good computer leaving room for expansions,better mobo,cpu, this way you can increase ram from 8 gb to 16 gb. those systems are about 700 to build. the one in my book is under 500, its 8 gigs of ram max out. but in my opinion, daw wise, I put these through rigorous testing and not even skipping a beat until track count/effects count gets way up there.
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2013/03/25 22:25:11
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Well...I won't get a chance anytime soon, BUT...I will have to say this...BIG UPS to Mr. Charlie Roy for one awesome Ebook on building a computer...man, you have a real gift for explaining things and you are very thorough and orderly. I am no idiot as far as trying to DIY with things, but I really feel I can build a monster of a computer myself following your instructions...thank you personally for reaching out and helping me along the way with other stuff here as well! You are a real asset to the community here for sure...I'll be hollering at you soon brother! THANK YOU!!! Sincerely David
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Stipes Vigilo
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/03/26 13:16:24
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chuckebaby
Stipes Vigilo Some of the best advice I've recieved from others about building a studio system is to start with the soundcard and build around it. I think the DAW we choose and how we intend to use it is at least a close second to that too. All the 'nuts & bolts' seem to fall into place after those two things are addressed.
if you tend to build your daw around things like soundcards, peripheral's, devices your going to be running into problems down the road.
I think the key is to build a good computer leaving room for expansions,better mobo,cpu, this way you can increase ram from 8 gb to 16 gb.
those systems are about 700 to build.
the one in my book is under 500, its 8 gigs of ram max out.
but in my opinion, daw wise, I put these through rigorous testing and not even skipping a beat until track count/effects count gets way up there.
I do agree with the idea of leaving room for expansion and even not building around a specific part. I should clarify, that what I meant was more along the lines of the idea of your soundcard and not any specific soundcard. i.e. considerations of how you intend to connect to the mobo via USB/FW/PCI/PCIe and what breakout boxes you might have to use for them. Considering they can be one of the largest costs in the system, we do ourselves a favor by starting with that in mind. At the very least, it is equal to what we put into the rest of the system. It shouldn't be the last thing we consider in building our system. Personally, I put the power supply choice pretty high up there too. RAM gets cheaper until it reaches a certain age, but what I feel is minimum or adequate is better if I double that to what the mobo can handle. (many say 8g is minimum and 16g is optimum right now, so for growth, I would double that to 16g minimum and 32g optimum.) But that is just my opinion. But it seems we are in more agreement really that the key is to make sure the system has growth potential.
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2013/04/18 20:32:25
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As an aside to this thread/discussion. This months Custom PC magazine ran an article about how much RAM we actually need. Admittedly it wasn't a test using a DAW and plug-ins, but, even running some of the most recent and graphics intensive games, they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/04/18 21:35:44
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...they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
I have 6GB and this is more than enough, even for large projects.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2013/04/19 13:32:10
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Kev999
LordElpus
...they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
I have 6GB and this is more than enough, even for large projects.
Wow! I need to re-visit my workflow, I have 8GB and I regularly bang up against that limit. Am I doing something wrong??
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2013/04/19 16:55:24
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I hit close to 5G of ram with multiple midi and a single audio. Seems to me I read once you want at least 30% higher than your current needs are which would put it closer to 7G, but that is with little or no audio and whatever VST FX added to it, so it seems 16G is really minimum. With RAM being one of the cheapest and easiest solutions to many problems, why not run the max it can handle?
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2013/04/19 17:43:24
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LordElpus
...they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
I have 6GB and this is more than enough, even for large projects.
Wow! I need to re-visit my workflow, I have 8GB and I regularly bang up against that limit. Am I doing something wrong??
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone should only have 6GB. Get as much as you need.
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2013/04/30 19:47:12
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this has piqued my interest. I am going to need to upgrade soon. will the amd phenom perform better than my current system?
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2013/05/06 18:33:48
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LordElpus
As an aside to this thread/discussion. This months Custom PC magazine ran an article about how much RAM we actually need. Admittedly it wasn't a test using a DAW and plug-ins, but, even running some of the most recent and graphics intensive games, they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
totally agree Gary. I follow a lot of gamers articles and even gamers threads. they really put there computers through hi intense features such as video and cpu strength's. im not a gamer at all but when it comes down to it, we are in the same boat pretty much :) even this article is something along the lines you were referencing. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4529847 as always good point sir.
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2013/05/15 18:10:33
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chuckebaby
LordElpus
As an aside to this thread/discussion. This months Custom PC magazine ran an article about how much RAM we actually need. Admittedly it wasn't a test using a DAW and plug-ins, but, even running some of the most recent and graphics intensive games, they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.
totally agree Gary.
I follow a lot of gamers articles and even gamers threads.
they really put there computers through hi intense features such as video and cpu strength's.
im not a gamer at all but when it comes down to it, we are in the same boat pretty much :)
even this article is something along the lines you were referencing.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4529847
as always good point sir.
Good article - they even mention the same article in Custom PC Magazine that I read. "Star Wars: The Old Republic" - awesome website - is that something you play Charlie Roy? I have decided to upgrade the graphics on my desktop as I want to improve the graphics for Flight Simulator - not for the DAW obviously - I don't play other games although that Star Wars one looks interesting! Just for info, in case anyone else needs advice on building their own DAW, I have found out that if I need to upgrade the desktop machine with a better processor etc. then the top of the line AMD FX8350 Black Edition 8 Core Processor (4.0/4.2 GHz) will plug straight in to my existing Asus motherboard. One chap I read even reckons he has overclocked the CPU to 5GHz, and the mobo is rated for 32GB RAM !! Amazon UK have the same mobo, part built with FX8350 CPU & 32GB Ram for £394.95 (approx $600 US) What a bargain and what a DAW that would be! http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX-8350-Vishera-Core-4-0GHz/dp/B00A39CVRI/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1368653306&sr=8-2-fkmr3&keywords=AMD+FX8350+Black+Edition+8+Core+Processor+%284.0%2F4.2GHz%2C+8MB+Level+3+Cache%2C+8MB+Level+2+Cache%2C+Socket+AM3%2B%2C+125W%2C Only thing to be mindful of is power consumption and ensuring the power supply is suitable.
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chuckebaby are you still around. I would like to undertake a similar AMD build for a cheep daw (my needs are very small) and would like your support through the process. I can't private message yet.
Background. Sort of got into needing a DAW as I need to make backing tracks for myself and a few mates. Some from scratch and some editing existing ones. I have bought Sonar Studio but finally accepted my pc wont cut it and it's too old to invest in. So I'm liking the idea on a small DAW. I have been trying to get an idea of what's out there and think I have a plan, which I would like to share for feedback. I haven't watch the youtube vid's yet but I'm confident I can build one (I have built several tube amps).
Can I fire away?
I have ditched the M-audio card and will be buying a new interface as it's too big and complex for my needs.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/25 16:57:07
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well I have to comment on this one.
AMD is not the best choice. does it work? is it fine? yes
is it the best spent money ? NO.
$ for $ intel eats AMD all day long.
if $50-$100 makes or breaks you from having a new system then AMD may be your best option
and at the risk of sounding rude maybe you need a different hobby if so.
all other items in the system will be identical.
that leave motherboard and processor.
a good quality AMD board is pretty much the same price as a good quality Intel board
so really it comes down to processor.
for $100 more you can be nearly 2 times the power. and far better memory bandwidth.
the only saving grace to the AMD system is using older PCI cards.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/25 18:45:26
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Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat. I am not able to get to your site as well
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 04:14:53
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jcschild
well I have to comment on this one.
AMD is not the best choice. does it work? is it fine? yes
is it the best spent money ? NO.
$ for $ intel eats AMD all day long.
if $50-$100 makes or breaks you from having a new system then AMD may be your best option
and at the risk of sounding rude maybe you need a different hobby if so.
all other items in the system will be identical.
that leave motherboard and processor.
a good quality AMD board is pretty much the same price as a good quality Intel board
so really it comes down to processor.
for $100 more you can be nearly 2 times the power. and far better memory bandwidth.
the only saving grace to the AMD system is using older PCI cards.
I have read too many horror stories about cheap power supplies and coolers, so I am not gonna skimp there. I want to go mATX and that has highlighted (as you say) that only old boards are available for the AMD 3+. Whereas Ausu do a modern mATX board for the intels. That adds £50 to the build, that's fine. The AMD is £100, I can only find an i7 4770k for £235. Were you refering to another i7 or i5 processor suitable for a daw given my demands will be quite low? Thanks for your input.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 12:01:40
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mixmkr
Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat. I am not able to get to your site as well
disable the av mixmkr
Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat. I am not able to get to your site as well
disable avg firewall its that not my site
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 12:04:39
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Makaze
I am sure the amd would be fine for your need. 4570/4670 would be fine as well
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 13:34:00
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it is the support for PCI cards that has me on the fence. For quite a while it has been apparent that Intel provides more bang for the buck, especially in terms of memory bandwidth. As Scott points out, we have reached a point where the processor is once again the key decision, motherboards are made for all chip families by almost all board manufacturers. It will be interesting to watch the SATA 6GB/s race, but that's still not a deal maker or breaker.
Memory has become a commodity, as have disk drives...
So for me it becomes do I want to preserve my Frontier Design Dakota for one more machine, or switch to a new audio interface. And if I do switch now I have to compare PCIe vs Thunderbolt (which is PCIe), vs USB(2/3) vs (maybe) Firewire... UGH! Especially since it is not just about the interface port, or even the drivers. One of the things that the Dakota does that is just brilliant is tie the audio clock and MIDI clock to the same internal clock, and it can even do MTC and LTC (yes, I still have a tape deck too<G>!)
I have tried a couple of newer Intel based motherboards that bridge PCI to PCIe, and so far so good, but it's still a gamble.
Fortunately for me, I am in no rush...
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 14:41:36
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More important than the difference between Thunderbolt, USB, Firewire, and PCIe... choosing the right unit (one known to be rock-solid and provide low round-trip latency) is the important factor. Make the right choice, and you'll be happy with any of the above. ie: The best USB audio interfaces offer low round-trip latency right on par with the best PCIe units. Obviously PCIe and Thunderbolt offer the most bandwidth. But... if you're not using anywhere close to that bandwidth (which 99% aren't/won't), it's a moot point. If you drive a car that tops out at 100MPH, it doesn't matter whether you travel a two-lane highway or a twelve-lane highway. The car will only go 100MPH. Some folks ask why Thunderbolt hasn't taken off in a big way. Thunderbolt basically provides access to the PCIe bus. With tower PCs, we've had that for a long while.  Thus, Thunderbolt is most beneficial/significant on small-form-factor machines which otherwise wouldn't provide access to the PCIe bus (laptops and other small machines that wouldn't otherwise provide access to the PCIe bus).. The second reason is cost. ie: Until the recent rebate, the Apollo's Thunderbolt option was $500. Most Thunderbolt peripherals are (relatively speaking) expensive. Look at Thunderbolt external HDs vs. USB3. By comparison, USB is on every machine... and is cheap to manufacture.
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Re:Upcoming PC Upgrade - In Need Of Suggestions.
2014/02/26 15:11:00
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Glad to see you and I agree on the TB thing.. I am still like why are you excited.. and yeah having it on a laptop is pretty cool but RME can do amazing track counts on USB so.. why...? 
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